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Quick Mesa 400+ Question

it's ok to run it at 2 ohms for a while right?

I plan on using it with my 8x10 and my 2 cxl's so I'd hook the 4 ohm 8x10 to the 2 ohm jack and hook the top cxl to the other 2 ohm jack and run a cable between the 2 cxl's

Just checking this is ok.

Thanks
 
FYI, going lower in impedance than rated with your amp REDUCES output power.

Ok, now I'm getting all confused here. Maybe I somehow got off track with his latest very uncommon connection scenario.

I figured combining his single 4 ohm cab, plus a pair of 8 ohm's, all being connected in parallel, equaled a combined load of 2 ohm at the amps pair of 2 ohm outputs. (that I'm also assuming are simply wired in parallel)

The more I think about scenario #2, I keep coming up with a corect 2 ohm combined load that the amp see's, but now I'm wondering if the fact that those those two 8 ohm cabs are no longer daisy-chained, will cause them to collectively receive less power than the single 4 ohm 8x10...

Unless someone corrects me here, I'm now thinking he should get the necessary speaker cables to use the method he originally proposed for the best results.
 
This is in the FAQ, but there is a lot of stuff to dig through there. I edited and expanded it a bit so it ought to clear up a lot of the myths surrounding tube amps and speaker loads:

To understand WHY tube amps don't like higher impedances and why they are MUCH more dangerous to tube amps than lower ones, you have to understand what it is in both types of amps that actually does damage.

In solid state amps, the output transistors are connected directly to the speaker load. Amps put out a constant voltage and the varible that determines power/current is the impedance of the load. Ohms law: P (power)= i (current)/r (resistance). The lower the load (resistance), the greater the amount of current is passed.

Current also generates tremendous amounts of heat, which is why if the load is too low, the heat stress on a solid state's output transistors can damage them. The same rules apply to tube amps, but there is a deciding factor that makes a huge difference. Tubes are extremely high impedance devices, and in order to be connected to a speaker, must be coupled through an output transformer which takes the high voltage/low current output of the tubes and makes a high current/ low voltage output that can drive a speaker. Instead of being constant voltage amplifiers, they try to be "constant power" amplifiers; each tap of a tube amp's output transformer is wound at a voltage/current ratio to supply equal power to each of the taps of differning expected secondary impedances.

A transformer is an inductive coil that works by amplifying current and/or voltage. If the transformer is not connected through a circuit on both its primary and secondary taps, it will feed back on itself and generate a large voltage spike at its connected end. What happens with too high a load connected to the transformer's secondary is that it acts like an open connection and causes feedback within the transformer. Since the primary of the transformer is connected to the plates of the output tubes, this voltage spike hits them first. As long as it doesn't exceed their limit, you're OK, but if it does, you can short them, which WILL destroy your amp.

The reason a lower impedance is not so dangerous has to do with the nature of the tubes themselves. If the transformer secondary is connected to a lower than expected impedance, the transformer obeys Ohms law and tries to maintain a constant current to a lower load for an increase in power, but this causes a drop in the voltage of the plates of the tubes and they emit less, so power actually decreases, but because more current is flowing through the tubes, they get hotter and "age" their cathodes at a much faster rate than normal.
 
Psycho, I truly trust and appreciate all your info, but I feel compelled to try and clear up few things for both myself and the O/P.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm still a little confused (about your posts in this particular thread), because I still cant find any reference to anyone even hinting about running an improper load.

I'm now wondering if my recommendations were somehow just flat wrong, or if one of us might have misunderstood his (rather uniquely worded) connection scenarios wrongly?

I just wanted to add that both of my suggestions (even if proved wrong) were intended to have him running his combined cab load the absolute corect way with his Mesa 400+. (2 ohm combined load into one or both of his 2 ohm taps)

ps:
To avoid any further confusion, today I discovered a mistake I'd made, but didn't want to edit my (thread #8) post at this point. I'd meant to use the word "both" instead of "one".

I'd meant to word my post just like this:

Should work fine long as all those 1/4" speaker jacks and speakons are wired in parallel (as most cabs are), and you plug into both of the amps 2 ohm outputs, you'll be basically achieving the same final result as your origanal posts connection scenario. (dont forget those pics)
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With all that aside, I'm also still very curious if his #2 connection scenario would have his pair of 8 ohm cabs running at a reduced power level, while using this (rather bizarre) series connection method along with his 4 ohm 8x10...

I'd assumed if everything was connected correctly, he could safely run a 2 ohm load with his 400+, right?

Thanks.
 
At a large outdoor concert I recently ran two 8 ohm Goliaths wired together in parallel (making 4 ohms)into one of the 2 ohm plugs on my 400+, and my 4 ohm Diesel 215 into the other 2 ohm plug.There was no problem and as I understand it the amp was seeing a 2 ohm load and delivering its standard 300wattsish output power. This is similar to what Anderbass is talking about I think. Hope I was right.
 
Psycho, I truly trust and appreciate all your info, but I feel compelled to try and clear up few things for both myself and the O/P.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm still a little confused (about your posts in this particular thread), because I still cant find any reference to anyone even hinting about running an improper load.

I'm now wondering if my recommendations were somehow just flat wrong, or if one of us might have misunderstood his (rather uniquely worded) connection scenarios wrongly?

My bad. I keep forgetting the 400+ has a 2 ohm tap. Mine still even has the sticker! Doh!
 
Having just recently acquired a 400+, I have a question. I have 2 4ohm jacks, 2 8 ohm jacks and above each of these pairs, 2 jacks with no labeling whatsoever. Are these the 2 ohm jacks? No where on the back of my 400+ do I see anything labeled as a 2 ohm output. Can anyone help me out with this?
 
Having just recently acquired a 400+, I have a question. I have 2 4ohm jacks, 2 8 ohm jacks and above each of these pairs, 2 jacks with no labeling whatsoever. Are these the 2 ohm jacks? No where on the back of my 400+ do I see anything labeled as a 2 ohm output. Can anyone help me out with this?

Yes, they are the third set of jacks. I believe they're labeled from the top.