Replica build, decals, and morality

[DigitalMan]

Nobody here is producing counterfeit Fender logos with a ink jet printer and paint pens. 99.9% of the people who apply counterfeit Fender logos are buying them from counterfeit producers on Ebay. I am not shifting the conversation at all.

Those are some great statistics you just made up.

 

[jamro217]

Do whatever you want. If we let the TB community make our decisions, we would all be playing through the same frigging gear with the same flats, the same tort pickguard, and the same matching cabs.

...And the problem with that would be...?

 

[jamro217]

I don't care what people do with their basses, but to me, it's pretty black and white; If it's not a Fender, it's not a Fender.

I can see in the OP's future... an audition for a band, he clicks with the group, and they praise his choice of playing a Fender bass.
OP, however, is unaware that the band members are all hardcore gear snobs, and among themselves, mock the other auditioning bass players for playing a Yamaha, Ibanez or, dare they speak it, Squier.

Weeks go by, working up tunes, and all are getting along like old friends, until that moment comes.... one of the gear snobs notices a Warmoth logo on the back of OP's bass neck. He's confronted and questioned about this, and with nothing else to say, has to admit his bass is not in fact a Fender. The band members are furious, and feeling deceived, lash out at OP. They accuse him of lying, being a fraud, and a dishonest person. Their vitriol knows no bounds, and they spread the word around the musical community. Sadly, OP will never work in that town again.

Join us next time for...
"Are Legos like logos", or "Oh what tangled web we weave"

And to think this all could have been avoided if only he'd brought his Ric to the gig instead.

 

[Bodeanly]

...And the problem with that would be...?

Life would certainly be a whole lot easier if we had less variety from which to choose. "Here's your standard issue bass. The next line is for your loaf of bread and cup of water."

 

[jamro217]

It's okay s'long as you write above the logo in magic marker "I like my bass better than a".

 

[jamro217]

Life would certainly be a whole lot easier if we had less variety from which to choose. "Here's your standard issue bass. The next line is for your loaf of bread and cup of water."

Reminds me of fourth grade. Music class followed by a school lunch.

 

[Duder]

My point isn't about an anecdote. There are two separate things we are talking about. I could procure a logo legally by buying a Fender neck and then attach it to a Warmoth body. None of this has any bearing on what it means for a person to build what they want and label it as they choose. How many people who create Star Wars fan art draw the logo themselves versus copying and pasting from a copyrighted source?

Yes, but if the point of contention is where the person buys the logo (which has been posed by a few people), then I'm curious where the OP stands on this.

 

[DigitalMan]

Yes, but if the point of contention is where the person buys the logo (which has been posed by a few people), then I'm curious where the OP stands on this.

That's far removed from the original objections that the bass would eventually be sold fraudulently, or that it's a poser thing to do. Do you realize how thin the argument "who made the logo and are they profiting illegally from it" sounds?

 

[MultiScaleMale]

They do not allow anyone to reproduce their trademarked logo, and applying a counterfeit logo on a non Fender bass is absolutely counterfeiting, and it is absolutely fraud.

It's definitely counterfeiting, but only fraud if it's sold.

 

[blubass]

Nobody here is producing counterfeit Fender logos with a ink jet printer and paint pens. 99.9% of the people who apply counterfeit Fender logos are buying them from counterfeit producers on Ebay. I am not shifting the conversation at all.

You might want to fact check this statement. There was a thread I seen just a couple days ago where the guy made absolutely stunning ink jet decals and filled the logos with pens. One he did was fender, the others were custom.

 

[Duder]

That's far removed from the original objections that the bass would eventually be sold fraudulently, or that it's a poser thing to do. Do you realize how thin the argument "who made the logo and are they profiting illegally from it" sounds?

Again, not arguing for either side. Just asking a question.

 

[SanDiegoHarry]

Here's a thought: Rather than a Fender logo... what do folks think of putting a Sadowsky or Lakland sticker on their Warmoth / allparts bass? Those names imply something different... yes?

 

[MultiScaleMale]

Here's a thought: Rather than a Fender logo... what do folks think of putting a Sadowsky or Lakland sticker on their Warmoth / allparts bass? Those names imply something different... yes?

The headstock doesn't match, so it's never done. I think it's odd that they will allow licensed necks with their trademark headstock shape, but no dice on the logo. Maybe they should just sell a "Fender licensed" logo that Warmoth can add when they finish it. They get another few bucks and it kills some of the counterfeiting. It would be about the same as buying a Fender decaled neck from Fender and putting it on a Warmoth or Allparts body.

 

[DigitalMan]

Again, not arguing for either side. Just asking a question.

When you ask a question you steer the conversation in a direction. There is no such thing as just asking a question.

 

[Hopkins]

Those are some great statistics you just made up.

Show me one example of someone who made an accurate Fender logo at home with a printer and metallic paint pen.

I can show you 20 where they bought a counterfeit off of ebay.

 

[JimmyThunder]

Show me one example of someone who made an accurate Fender logo at home with a printer and metallic paint pen.

I can show you 20 where they bought a counterfeit off of ebay.

Making things better... a thread about decals.

nobody in that thread is showing metallic Fender waterslides, but the OP made a tort Fender waterslide and metallic non-Fender logos, it's easy to conclude metallic Fender waterslides are being made. Folks are much less likely to post photos of them so they don't get dragged into the "guilty" side of this exact debate.

 

[Hopkins]

That's far removed from the original objections that the bass would eventually be sold fraudulently, or that it's a poser thing to do. Do you realize how thin the argument "who made the logo and are they profiting illegally from it" sounds?

Not nearly as thin as your argument in favor of counterfeit decals, especially when there are at least 2 threads a week asking if a Fender bass is legit

 

[DigitalMan]

Show me one example of someone who made an accurate Fender logo at home with a printer and metallic paint pen.

I can show you 20 where they bought a counterfeit off of ebay.

When you bring data to an academic argument the burden of proof falls upon you.

 

[DigitalMan]

Not nearly as thin as your argument in favor of counterfeit decals, especially when there are at least 2 threads a week asking if a Fender bass is legit

The existence of counterfeit basses doesn't have any bearing on a replica bass made for personal enjoyment. Since the OP clearly stated in his first post that he would put a Warmoth logo on the back of the headstock I find it hard to believe this bass would ever generate one of those threads.

 

[SanDiegoHarry]

Show me one example of someone who made an accurate Fender logo at home with a printer and metallic paint pen.

I can show you 20 where they bought a counterfeit off of ebay.

Take a while guess where these fakes were made.

A good starting point to search? Ali Baba