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Rickenbacker..... i just don't understand the hype.

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It comes down to a matter of taste. I'm not a fan of retro looking anything. I like retro music, but the visuals are like nails on a chalkboard to me. The basic body design, regardless of model, is retro to me. I know the 4004s exist, but when people say "Rickenbacker" they are really talking about the 4001 and 4003. The pickup placement, necks, and body shape are nearly unplayable for me. The tone is interesting, but I think I would have a heck of a time getting a usable live tone out of one.
So I don't get them. That's just me. Al from Sleep is about the only guy I would say has a tone that I hear and think Ricks are OK. And that's not really with Sleep as much as Om. Let's face it, Sleep is about a feeling, not a tone. Matt and Al have a unique tone together, but separately are pretty grizzled. Doom and Stoner metal player bassists are only see using them in the wild, and I tend to think its because they are hung up on the 70s vibe and\or Sleep. Just my $0.02
True, about Sleep. For that band, Al and Matt's tones combine into one crushing sonic titan. Neither sounds especially good on their own.

And sure, when people say "Rickenbacker," they usually mean the 4003 or 4001. But they shouldn't. The 4004 addresses the most common complaints.

It's actually incredibly easy to get a good live tone out of a 4003. Flip the switch to bridge pickup only (which is in about the same position as the pickup on a Stingray or a G&L L1500 or Kiloton) and rock out. Or put both pickups on and back off the volume on one. I have a much harder time getting good live tones out of things like Fender Jazz basses, or basses that emulate those pickup positions.

Most basses have fairly "retro" body designs. I don't really think of them as retro any more than a Fender Jazz, though. Especially not the 4004.

Kyuss also sounded really good with Rickenbacker basses. I also think Church of Misery sounds quite good. And Yob (former bassist Isamu used a Rickenbacker, and current bassist Aaron often uses one live). And Tool's "Undertow" album. And a bunch of the stuff that Steve Digiorgio has played on using one. And Pol in Primordial.

I was actually into them quite a few years before I had heard of stoner/doom metal, when I was playing primarily black metal.

Yeah, basically the Ric's have little or no taper like a guitar. Feels weird and didn't work well with my hand shape. That being said you can't really argue with the tone Ric's have, they really do sound great for rock/metal based music. It's really difficult to get a non-usable tone out of a Ric. I felt like the lack of taper and the shape of the neck bothered my fretting hand wrist a lot and made it difficult to play for long periods of time. Never had that issue with any other bass I've owned/played.
For me that happens with highly tapered necks and necks with a "C" profile (as opposed to the flattened "D" of Rickenbackers). The feel is the primary reason I play them.

Yeah it works better for some people depending on your hand shape, just doesn't work for me. I do play almost exclusively fingerstyle if that means anything I'm curious if the people that like the no-taper play pick or finger?
I play mostly fingerstyle. Dustern I play all fingerstyle in, whereas in Catapult I switch between fingers and pick.

Not sure why that would matter, though? For me the taper or lack thereof is noticed primarily by my fretting hand.
 
Yeah it works better for some people depending on your hand shape, just doesn't work for me. I do play almost exclusively fingerstyle if that means anything I'm curious if the people that like the no-taper play pick or finger?
I play primarily fingerstyle, but I am just as proficient with a pick. The taper on Rick necks feel great to me; I don't see how the plucking hand technique affects the fretting hand in particular, though. Alembics also have very little taper, at least the ones I have owned, and others I have played; perhaps that is why I also love their playability.
 
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You could literally fly to the U.S.A., grab a 4004 from Wildwood, or whoever, and fly it back to Oz with you as personal properly & it would cost less than buying off the shelf in Oz.
I tell my relatives to get their dental work done in Thailand. They could fly over there & get thousands of dollars worth of work done for thousands of Baht (33x less) & enjoy the beach & seafood while they're there.
 
You could literally fly to the U.S.A., grab a 4004 from Wildwood, or whoever, and fly it back to Oz with you as personal properly & it would cost less than buying off the shelf in Oz.
I tell my relatives to get their dental work done in Thailand. They could fly over there & get thousands of dollars worth of work done for thousands of Baht (33x less) & enjoy the beach & seafood while they're there.


It's pretty close...... approx $1800Aud for return flights, $1800 Aud ($1400Usd) for the Ric and then about $200 in calming drugs so I don't stress the whole way about whether or not the bass will get broken by the airline (i've had two guitars smashed by airlines in the past couple of years). Looking at those figures i'm starting to wonder if the new price here in Oz is being worked out to be just a bit cheaper than doing this. :laugh:

As for dental work, i know numerous people who have gone to Thailand to get major dental work done. They get a couple of weeks holiday and their dental work done and still finish off much cheaper than getting the same work done here in Australia. The same goes for cosmetic surgery. One of my staff and her friend went over there for some "enhancement". :roflmao:The hospitals are very good and a lot of their surgeons are trained here in Australia as well.
 
I've closed this. I'm sorry. There's some useful information and respectful opinions but the trolling has gotten old, which is why several posts were reported. I'm not doing any infractions this time, but consider this a warning in terms of the next Ric threads. There are some people that seem to follow Ric threads with certain joke posts, and I hope that stops.

Last bit of unsolicited advice: any thread that starts off with "LET THE FLAMING BEGIN" could be interpreted as a trolling thread. Again, I'm not doing an infraction for this. I don't think that was the intent. But, fair warning...
 
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