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Rickenbacker or Precision - which is it?

Rickenbacker or Precision?

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#101
One more thing in this topic. If you’re really into MkIII Purple, IMO the best live recording of them is from Kilburn (London) in 1974. Ignore the stuff they do from the Gillan/Glover days, as Coverdale could never do justice to Gillan’s material. Instead realize that this is from about six weeks after CalJam, and realize that virtually everyone who was anyone (Jeff Beck, members of LedZep, etc) was in attendance at this Kilburn show.

This is it, in all its glory, in the original quad mix that captures the luster of the natural reverb of the Gaumont theater. YFNO picks up at 39:25. Lord, Blackmore and Paice are all absolutely killing it here. And Hughes is also great, as is David.

 
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#103
PhR75 said:
Different styles. Hughes liked funk and soul and it affected his playing and he does some tasty things especially on studio albums.
Glover played more straight rock. Both excellent bass players.
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I don't buy it. What comes across as "funky" from Hughes to me is just sloppy, and just because Purple's music got more funky doesn't necessarily mean Hughes playing did. Besides, there was as much "white boy British" funk in MkII and I think Glover did it better. Just my 2.
 
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#104
coyote1 said:
One more thing in this topic. If you’re really into MkIII Purple, IMO the best live recording of them is from Kilburn (London) in 1974. Ignore the stuff they do from the Gillan/Glover days, as Coverdale could never do justice to Gillan’s material. Instead realize that this is from about six weeks after CalJam, and realize that virtually everyone who was anyone (Jeff Beck, members of LedZep, etc) was in attendance at that show.

This is it, in all its glory, in the original quad mix that captures the luster of the natural reverb of the Gaumont theater. YFNO picks up at 39:25. Lord, Blackmore and Paice are all absolutely killing it here. And Hughes is also great, as is David.

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Agreed, it's a superb album. The 2CD version featuring the whole show is excellent.

And of course to continue the tradition, EMI put a pic from first tour rehearsals from late '73 to the front cover. Hughes with a Rickenbacker again. :laugh:
 
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#105
"Certs is a breath mint" (eats one)
"Certs is a candy mint" (eats one)
"Certs is a breath mint!" (eats one more)
"Certs is a candy mint!" (eats one more)
"Certs is a breath mint!!!" (eats one more)
"Certs is a candy mint!!!" (eats one more)

No, no, you're both wrong, Certs is a laxative.
 
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Gluvhand said:
I don't buy it. What comes across as "funky" from Hughes to me is just sloppy, and just because Purple's music got more funky doesn't necessarily mean Hughes playing did. Besides, there was as much "white boy British" funk in MkII and I think Glover did it better. Just my 2.
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Well, he was sometimes notoriusly sloppy just as he oversang. Especially on the last tour with Mark IV lineup. Everybody knows why that was, not saying it's a good excuse. But on studio albums his singing and playing is excellent and in control.
I like his more loose playing style just as well as Glover's tight driving. And Purple was indeed funky before Hughes so Blackmore should know better. "No No No", "No One Came", "Maybe I'm A Leo" etc. Great stuff.
 
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#111
coyote1 said:
Sounds P to me. The other thing that stands out to me is that Hughes’ playing on that track is more, uhhh, indefinite than I had imagined all these decades. EDIT: have a listen to the isolated Paice/Glover Highway Star from Made In Japan. It is only because Glover is lower in the mix that people are unaware of just how deftly he propelled that band. His playing is both more precise and has more movement than the playing of Hughes.

and the other other thing that stands out is Ian Paice. Dazzling drummer.

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Just incredible. What a fantastic band. Thanks so much for posting this.
 
#112
PhR75 said:
Well, he was sometimes notoriusly sloppy just as he oversang. Especially on the last tour with Mark IV lineup. Everybody knows why that was, not saying it's a good excuse. But on studio albums his singing and playing is excellent and in control.
I like his more loose playing style just as well as Glover's tight driving. And Purple was indeed funky before Hughes so Blackmore should know better. "No No No", "No One Came", "Maybe I'm A Leo" etc. Great stuff.
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Earlier I was going to note that in his defense, Hughes is singing while playing this so the bass part really only has to hold bottom for those moments. Blackmore and Paice are really holding the groove in that moment. Which, while there’s plenty to say about Ritchie personally that’s less than awesome, onstage he’s always been professional and gracious in supporting the rest of the band where needed.
 
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#113
coyote1 said:
Sounds P to me. The other thing that stands out to me is that Hughes’ playing on that track is more, uhhh, indefinite than I had imagined all these decades. EDIT: have a listen to the isolated Paice/Glover Highway Star from Made In Japan. It is only because Glover is lower in the mix that people are unaware of just how deftly he propelled that band. His playing is both more precise and has more movement than the playing of Hughes.

and the other other thing that stands out is Ian Paice. Dazzling drummer.

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Glover is a great player and gets a very clear sound (usually, I suspect the method these guys are isolating the tracks are degrading the bass sound in both severely.) and yes Paice is a great drummer.
 
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#115
I made a clip with an approximation of Hughes' sound at that time. I used an Acoustic 301 folded horn cab IR, a power amp simulator with EL34's, boosted the bass a little and cut down some mids at 300hz to make a Hiwatt amp simulation. A little bit of overdrive from MXR M77. All in all, just to get into that ballpark.

The second clip is with those same settings but the cab IR is a 4x10", just to show what the folded horn cab does to the sound.
 

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