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Ring modulator place in chain

Romain

Romain

Effects Addict Club member #15
Dec 29, 2006
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“somewhere” in France
#1
Hi everyone.

Could someone give me advice about my Moog Moogerfooger Ring Modulator place in effect chain?

Boss TU-2 Chromatic Tuner > EHX Bass Micro Synthesizer > Moog Moogerfooger MF-105B Bass MuRF > Fulltone Bass-Drive > Boss GEB-7 Bass Equalizer > Guyatone MD3 Micro Digital Delay > Boos RC-2 Loop Station.

1. Right after the TU-2, considering it actually modifies the tone?
2. Between the GEB-7 and MD3, thinking of it as a modulation fx?

Though my ears would tend to make me to choose the second option, logic would tell me to choose the first!

Help me!
Thanx! :)
 
#2
i have my ring mod relatively early in the chain... right after my compression, in fact. i use it like a pitch shifting effect (ie, octaver-styles). it's not a moog, it's a CoPilotFX Android (which is much simpler)... but i found it works best before my distorion/OD section. it's up to you and how you're using it, though.

experiment, and good luck!
 
#3
If it were me I'd put it after the Murf but before the Micro Synth and Bass Drive..

I don't own a ring mod but if I did thats were I'd try it first, simply because rythmical-ring modded-synthy-distorted noise sounds like a whole lot of fun to play with....

Dang, now I want a ring mod.
 
#4
Actually you answered better than I could expect, JetpackBassist!

First, I forgot to mention I have an EBS MultiComp in my effect chain, after my Boss TU-2; placing my Ring Modulator after it could be a good option. The MultiComp is such a great pedal!

Secondly, yr answer made me realize I was using my ring mod the same way as you: thinking of it as a pitch shifter (I have an expression pedal to change the freq of it), I should place it early in my pedal chain.

Good.
I'm gonna experiment a little bit more, but it seems a little bit clearer to me now!
;)

edit: and yeah, Melvins are GREAT (but not sure they're better than 4'33 of pure genius).
 
#5
Well thanx for the reply Max.
Your suggestion might be an interesting option... but I'm pretty sure I want the Bass Micro Synth to be right before the MuRF, cause it just sounds awesome!
I will probably try it anyway, but I expect I won't have to start a new thread to take advice about the MuRF place now - you make me doubt actually!

And... err, sorry if I made you GAS for a new toy :D .
But if you're keen on some noise experiment, a ring mod is something you should try asap! :bassist:
 
#6
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I'd be interested to hear what the setup I suggested sounds like (if you try it that is) and also some samples of the Moogerfooger Ring Mod would be cool to hear.


If you can and are able to that is. :)


On a side note, I thought that this (below) sounded pretty sweet.

Bass -> Murf -> Micro Synth -> English Muff N' -> Mixer/Amp

But I'm guna have to see what Micro Synth -> Murf -> Distortion gives me.
:ninja: Interesting...
 
#11
I agree with vier-personen. I think ring mod sounds more bizarre after resonant filters, since the filter peaks will get the addition and subtraction pitch-shift treatment as well (which is especially weird as the filter peaks are shifting with the volume envelope). Whether that's what you want, I don't know. So, earlier in the chain equals less clang. Later equals more.
 
#12
I disagree. If you want more overtones, just play chords. This'll let you have more control over the sounds you're getting and let you murf the weirded out signal + whatever else you want to do.

Most people I talk to about ring mods say (and I agree with this) that you should treat it as an entirely different instrument.

Also, a ring modulator has more of a synthesizer-type effect than a modulation-type, based on how dramatically changed the output is from the input.
 
#13
all I said is that you get more complex sounds if you give the RM more overtones to play with. but I also said that clean(ish) sounds + RM are interresting, too.

It depends on what you want, really.

I played a piece by a contemporary (no, really?) composer where I needed a fuzz before the RM to beef things up.

I also like to ringmodulate the bass with a sinewave + white noise mixed in, gives a very nice tone (on one of sparkelhorses tracks you can hear a guitar or baritone guitar with this sound).

I also like to play double bass into my the RM, clean obviously as the danger of feedback increases with every overtone you add. talk about gong-like sounds RMs get advertised with. you can get similiar tones with clothespins or wire around the string, or a short piece of a string between the strings on a bass guitar, too.

I don´t know about filters triggered by envelope followers, I played around with these auto-wah types, but never really liked them, so I can´t really comment on the behaviour of a RM with EFF.

do whatever works for you and the situation -> :bassist:
 
#14
Swimming Bird said:
Also, a ring modulator has more of a synthesizer-type effect than a modulation-type, based on how dramatically changed the output is from the input.
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Actually with the most common type of RM you use a synthesized sine (or other) wave to modulate the signal.

So the effect is a modulation of the orginal signal with the synthesized signal. tremolo is the same thing.

I don´t mean to start an argument here, I just like to talk technically correct about these things.

btw: I like "happy feet" :)
 
#15
vier-personen said:
I also like to play double bass into my the RM, clean obviously as the danger of feedback increases with every overtone you add. talk about gong-like sounds RMs get advertised with. you can get similiar tones with clothespins or wire around the string, or a short piece of a string between the strings on a bass guitar, too.
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I dont play the DB, but would love to hear a RM with one!
 
#16
vier-personen said:
Actually with the most common type of RM you use a synthesized sine (or other) wave to modulate the signal.
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Ah, sorry, I should clarify: I meant in terms of use; it outputs in a manner that changes the signal very very drastically, like a synthesizer, instead of of manipulating it in a subtle way like most other modulations.



vier-personen said:
btw: I like "happy feet" :)
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Thanks! I suppose I should attempt more 'fun' songs like that, but it's hard to be a one man funk band.

Also, I swear the penguin theme that runs through everything I do is completely accidental...
 
#17
Swimming Bird said:
Most people I talk to about ring mods say (and I agree with this) that you should treat it as an entirely different instrument.
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that's how i see it with my playing... which i why i like to add effects to it. :)

vier-personen said:
you can get similiar tones with clothespins or wire around the string, or a short piece of a string between the strings on a bass guitar...
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prepared bass, hmmm? i like this Four People guy! makes me want to break out the cage, crumb, and penderecki! right on!

vier-personen said:
do whatever works for you and the situation -> :bassist:
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+93.2! ya!
 

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