Sansamp live sound

Discussion in 'Live Sound [BG]' started by jeffgnr90, Jul 12, 2013.

  1. jeffgnr90

    jeffgnr90

    Aug 4, 2011
    I understand how tech21 intended the bddi to be used, the parallel out goes to your onstage amp and the xlr to the board. But i have never utilized the parallel out before. For venues with a PA, I just use the 1/4 output to my amp (for distortion) and the xlr to the board. I've always believed that the xlr out and parallel out serve the same function, they just have different cables running to them. I'm just wondering If i'm under utilizing the pedal is all. I use the sansamp mostly as an effect for overdrive/fuzz which is why I like it going to my amp. And when I use the xlr I assume that it's sending a clean unaffected signal to the sound guy I can't have the parallel out going to my head also somehow, can I?
     
  2. jimfist

    jimfist "Cling tenaciously to my buttocks!" Supporting Member

    Mar 28, 2011
    Boston, MA (USA)
    no. XLR out sends effected tone (when the pedal is engaged). 1/4" OUTPUT same. 1/4" PARALLEL sends UN-Effected sound (as if directly from your bass).
     
  3. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Inactive

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    If I read you correctly OP you want a dirty sound on stage and a clean sound going to the board? Huh?
     
  4. jeffgnr90

    jeffgnr90

    Aug 4, 2011
    That's right. Haha I'm guessing that's kind of backwards?
     
  5. jeffgnr90

    jeffgnr90

    Aug 4, 2011
    Ah ok gotchyaa.
     
  6. eagle67

    eagle67

    Nov 12, 2010
    Yes
     
  7. jeffgnr90

    jeffgnr90

    Aug 4, 2011
    In this is subjective, but do you guys think I should try sending the parallel out to my amp instead of the 1/4? This is what a lot of people seem to do and love it
     
  8. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    alpha-music.com
    like who?

    the regular 1/4" out is for your amp! the parallel out is like for a tuner or something.
     
  9. eagle67

    eagle67

    Nov 12, 2010
    You can send the BDDI 1/4" "Parallel Output" dry signal to the main input of your amp if you want to use that amp's preamp, EQ etc. This is exactly like plugging your bass into an amp. The Sansamp is bypassed. Otherwise send the BDDI 1/4" "Output" to the effects return, usually found on the back of the amp. On most amps, this layout uses only the power section pf the amp, and the Sansamp is the preamp, and chief tone shaper.
     
  10. +1. That will work. Bass into BDDI, Parallel Output to mixer, and 1/4" Output to amp. However, unless you’re next to the mixer or one is provided, you’ll need another DI since you’ll just be using the BDDI as a stomp box effect (the Radial J48 is nice).
     
  11. capncal

    capncal

    Apr 14, 2009
    i run the unaffected signal back into my amp because i don't want anything coloring the tone of my amp!

    but send the affected signal to the board to emulate a tube amp sound coming from the mains.
     
  12. capncal

    capncal

    Apr 14, 2009
    i run the unaffected signal back into my amp because i don't want anything coloring the tone of my amp!

    but send the affected signal to the board to emulate a tube amp sound coming from the mains.

    although i used an ART tube box as DI this past weekend and my end up selling the sansamp that thing is so bad ass.
     
  13. jeffgnr90

    jeffgnr90

    Aug 4, 2011
    I really want to try it this way, but I'm afraid I wont hear enough of the distortion from the mains like I do from the cab. I know every pa is different, but I got a show coming up that may be in from of a few hundred, the most I've ever played for. Not sure if that's the show to be trying new things heh heh
     
  14. tech21nyc

    tech21nyc Commercial User

    Aug 17, 2010
    Manufacturer: Tech 21
    The Bass Driver DI was originally designed to give you the sound of a vintage tube amp via the XLR out to the mixing board. The concept was that you would plug your bass into the Bass Driver and send the parallel uneffected output to your bass amp and use that as your stage monitor. This meant that your direct tone wasn't the sound of your bass guitar's pickups but the sound of an emulated amp. This would give the player and FOH a much more consistent DI sound and eliminate the need for a microphone. You could also utilize the blend function and "blend" in your standard DI bass tone with the amp emulation like recording studios have done for years

    Somewhere along the way players started using the Bass Driver as a distortion box into the front end of their bass amps via the 1/4" output and sending the XLR SansAmp output to the mixer. This is fine as long as you leave the pedal engaged. If you switch it on and off like a regular stompbox you will have a very inconsistent DI signal at the board.

    You can use it in any manner you wish if it works for you. It's a flexible pedal that can be used in a multitude of ways. It really depend what you are trying to accomplish. .
     
  15. jeffgnr90

    jeffgnr90

    Aug 4, 2011
    It certainly is flexible! The night of the show there's a few things im contemplating. They have a gk head and cab as a back line so i may bring my rig in addition to using their backline. I'd send the parallel out to the gk rig and then the 1/4 out to my rig. And then the di would go to the pa. Or just use my rig, have the parallel out go to that and di to the PA. My concern with the 2nd way is that in wont hear enough of the distortion over the clean bass I'll be getting onstage. It may sound totally different offstage but that distortion is what gets me goinnn. So if that's what happens I'll just send the 1/4 out to my amp instead.
     
  16. jeffgnr90

    jeffgnr90

    Aug 4, 2011
    And the sansamp is always on and is the main part of my sound. The different presets I try to keep bass the same but vary the amount of distortion for different parts of the songs
     
  17. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    alpha-music.com
    using the sansamp sound into the mains and a dry sound on stage doesn't make sense to me; i'd have no idea what i actually sounded like, which totally affects the way i hit the instrument!

    it's the opposite scenario from the player constructing a very particular amp tone, then having the soundguy bypass all of it with a DI straight off the bass. in each case the player is getting bogus feedback as to his sonic contribution to the band sound out front.

    yes, i know, the EQ might be different out front than into my stage rig, but the "character" needs to be there for me to have the right feel for what i'm doing.
     
  18. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Commercial User

    Feb 20, 2009
    alpha-music.com
    if the sansamp is "your sound", then use either your own rig or the house rig (don't bother with both) but use the regular 1/4" out to your stage rig; in fact, you might be best off running that 1/4" out into the effects return or power amp in of the stage rig, bypassing the other preamp entirely so it's just a straight power amp.
     
  19. eagle67

    eagle67

    Nov 12, 2010
    This works great for me!
     
  20. Gearhead17

    Gearhead17 Supporting Member

    May 4, 2006
    Mount Prospect, IL
    With back line equipment, it's usually best to use what is provided or completely bypass it. With a quick turnover of bands (my guess) it is best to stick with what works for you. Although you can finally try something new, doing so in front of a bunch of people can turn out to be a nightmare sound wise for you. Especially if you have no time to adjust it.