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Double Bass small electric which sounds like an upright?

I played a gig last Sat that I normally would have played upright on but played the EB for space reasons. I was very aware of not only the technical differences because they are different instruments with different techniques but how I approached what I played in terms of note choices, lines, etc. I think the playing position, string length, frets or lack of frets, and general concept are all bigger factors than the actual sound. I for one can't play the same way on both basses. I may just be a better upright player although I have played both for about the same length of time. I also believe that my time sense is different on each. In one of Carol Kaye's method books, she made the point that you may have good time on one but not necessarily both.
 
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That bass Dario plays definitely sounds the most like an upright of anything I've heard. Are those available? The Base looks like a royal pain to play and hold.

Yes, 5 month wait, approximately $4k USD + shipping and duties, no return period, warranty only good if you keep humidity at 60% and have nobody work on it other than the luthier in spain (4000 miles away)
 
They are not going to sound the same, and it really helps if people understand it's not going to be the same. Just yesterday I used my EB Fretless dialed in the piezo pickups, adjusted the eq as best I could and played it with the Upright mindset and fingering, and muting the strings to get that thump. With drums, electric guitars, and Sax I got real close, have fooled many people (especially since I sometimes bring the Upright itself). BUT it's not the same sound, close in a band situation when properly approached with the right gear, but not when side by side. The physicality is also a big deal and I have to keep reminding myself to match the playing style of the Upright. It's too easy to forget and do crazy things I could never (and I do mean me) do on an Upright.

I don't think it's wrong to help people understand there are limitations so they can adjust and can get as close as they can. And having that Upright-ish sound in our tool box is not a bad thing either when you need it on occasion.

And I'm grateful for the advice I got here to forget the EUB and get an URB if I want to learn to play URB. But I did eventually get an EUB for those times I couldn't transport the URB. It gets some use, but only when I really have to. Very few here have only one bass.

I never said I thought it would sound exactly the same. Just looking for more of the vibe than I get from my electric fretless...Did you listen to the clips I posted in the OP? They are close enough for me. Not exactly the same by any means. Nobody's ever going to hear it and think it sounds like Christian McBride but I know several folks who heard the marcustico from outside the club and were surprised when they went in and saw it was an electric bass.
 
I don't see where it is actually going to get you. There are literally no significant bass guitarists that have gone the route of aping an upright sound.
The best thing for an upright sound is an upright. An EUB can stand in for amplified upright. A bass guitar should speak in it own voice. As far as acoustic jazz, only Steve Swallow been able to make the BG work as far the top end recordings and concerts.
It isn't an interesting problem to solve.
In the long term a context that needs an upright will need and upright. If it is a gig or two, cut the mids, play quieter and listen!
 
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I'm going to suggest this, even though judging by the thread the OP posted recently that was closed of him not accepting any advice, he will not accept this as well. I started playing bass uke over 7 years ago after playing guitar then ukulele for over 50 years. My first was an acoustic Gold Tone 23" fretted MicroBass on which I used black Road Toad Pahoehoe strings. It sounded like an upright to me. Since then I've accumulated a variety of bass ukes and mini electric bass guitars using Aquila Thundergut and Thunder Reds, Gold Tone MBLS flatwound, Pyramid flatwound, Kala/Galli flatwound, but still find the Pahoehoe to sound most like an upright.

"closed of him not accepting advice" ? lol
I don't see where it is actually going to get you. There are literally no significant bass guitarists that have gone the route of aping an upright sound.
The best thing for an upright sound is an upright. An EUB can stand in for amplified upright. A bass guitar should speak in it own voice. As far as acoustic jazz, only Steve Swallow been able to make the BG work as far the top end recordings and concerts.
It isn't an interesting problem to solve.
In the long term a context that needs an upright will need and upright. If it is a gig or two, cut the mids, play quieter and listen!

what it gets me is I like the sound. And as far as your other statement, Deidda playing with Rosenwinkel is pretty solid evidence that the marcustico can cover both bases pretty well. Nobody said anything about "aping" an upright sound. I have said over and over again that I'm looking for the vibe, not to replace an upright.
 
You can get 'the vibe' with a ABG with tapewounds, some EQ, a little reverb, and perhaps a little sub-octave added. That's 'the vibe.' A Uke bass also has 'the vibe' in spades.
I'm honestly thinking of acquiring one for home recording to cop that sound (also using MIDI guitar with samples).
Once you add other instruments a lot of the nuances you're hearing with disappear anyway.
Good luck.
 
Looking for something along the lines of the marcustico or "the base". An electric bass that can be "worn" with a strap and played horizontally.

Not looking for muted flatwounds on a rickenbacker. I'm actually looking for something that you could do a jazz gig with and get the sound of an upright bass. Something along the lines of these:

Considering the marcustico but there's a 5 month wait and he recommends 60% humidity and the warranty is void if anyone other than Marcus does any work on it which is a bit inconvenient considering he's 4000 miles from me!

Just found out about "the base" today but I have no idea what the price is...





I do agree that these both capture some acoustic qualities. The Marcustico has been about as good as it gets in the various videos I have watched. Some of this is probably attributed to the way the sound was captured. IMHO it has a certain artificial quality to the sound that could possibly prove really irritating while playing...only way to find it is the buy one, which is not going to happen for me.

To my ears the Bace seems to capture the sound of a laminated upright.

Another approximately cello size bass to consider (I believe he is in the UK):
Bass of the Week: Toby Chennell Arco Acoustic Bass Guitar – No Treble

Looks like the manufacturers website linked in the article is dead :banghead:.

Here's his Facebook
Chennell String Instruments - Home | Facebook

My observation is a given instrument can manifest upright qualities, but only over a fairly limited range of notes. So if you get an authentic sound in the low range, it won't sound right in the high range, and if you get the an authentic sound in the high range, it won't sound right in the low range.

I have seen threads on TB where people modified a cello.
 
No one has mentioned an Ashbory bass yet? Used to be made by Fender/Guild / DeArmond for a while. In production from 1986-2012. Comes in a variety of body shapes. The sound comes from those fat, solid, nylon/rubber strings. Sounds like an amplified upright.

But the scale length is very small, tricky to play.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashbory_bass

Bass Centre Ashbory Bass

The common look was the one like a dog bone.
 
Once a month (or more often) a bass guitar player says he found a vertical sound on a bass guitar, but I never hear those words from double bass players. Perhaps BG players' ears work better than our tired old hearing...

I have read the parallel author's thread on the BG forum ( Electric basses which sound like an upright? ) and apologize for my words. It seems like BG players on Talkbass are much more honest than the ones I meet in my life. On the BG side, there are no illusions about copying sound.
 
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I double on both. As some have mentioned, if you know the sound/vibe/feel that you're looking for, you can get close.

As in, close enough that you'll be happy and the audience will not care. Read that again; the audience will not care. I've done plenty of musical theatre gigs on electric (for a DB book) with a Warwick Streamer with steel roundwounds, palm muting. The director was happy, and the check cleared. Even had a couple people in the audience confused that there was no DB in the pit.

Anyway... :)

The basses I've found that get the gist of the DB sound are the AEBs that have the largest body possible. The Tacoma Thunderchief and Warwick Alien are two that, with a light set of flatwounds, sounded good enough for me to gig with. Both are also available in fretless, which helps even more.

Honorable mention goes to the Rob Allen Mouse. I haven't gigged with it (unlike the others), but played it a couple of times in a store. It's another one that will be "close enough that no one will really notice or care."

The Turner Renaissance would be another one, but I think it falls closer to the EB camp. I had one for a bit and it's a really nice instrument that sounds great, but it's its own beast.
 
I don't see where it is actually going to get you. There are literally no significant bass guitarists that have gone the route of aping an upright sound.
The best thing for an upright sound is an upright. An EUB can stand in for amplified upright. A bass guitar should speak in it own voice. As far as acoustic jazz, only Steve Swallow been able to make the BG work as far the top end recordings and concerts.
It isn't an interesting problem to solve.
In the long term a context that needs an upright will need and upright. If it is a gig or two, cut the mids, play quieter and listen!

Well, I don't have a fragment of the experience Damon does but I think he's basically got the thing by the right handle here.

1) The only thing that really sounds just like an upright is an upright.
2) You can get kinda sorta close, but you never really get there and by the time you've spent all that time money and effort, you might as well just have brought the upright.
3) There are a lot of things that can fulfill the same FUNCTION in a pinch - after all, that's what the Fender bass was invented FOR - to provide bass players in any genre (except, of course, orchestra) an alternative bass instrument that could do the same things (play two-beat, walk, etc.) but with a whole lot less trouble expense and size.

When you say "Oh, so and so sounds NOTHING AT ALL like an upright", I suspect it's the tyranny of small differences (the princess and the pea syndrome) speaking. "Nothing at all like the upright" would be, in my opinion, reserved for instruments like tuba, contrabassoon, bass saxophone, tubular bells, typmani. Theoretically you could play a gig substituting one of these for the upright, and I assure you it would be way further from the general sound and effect of an upright bass, than an electric bass with the typical minor adjustments.

Personally, I think when I play upright in my more traditional settings in jazz, country, and bluegrass, it sounds better, but when I play electric in those same settings, playing pretty much the exact same things, it sounds a hell of a lot better than no bass at all. If I were to go all Geddy Lee or Entwistle at the bluegrass jam, it'd sound like poo. If I play normal two-beat bass, it sounds good, though not as good as the upright would.

Just this weekend I got a little stink-eye for bringing the electric to the bluegrass jam. I told the stink-eyer, "Look, I just drove 2000 miles with everything I needed for two months, in the bed of a pickup truck. I would have brought the upright if I could, but compared to food, clothing, tools, and water, it just didn't make the cut. You know how I play; I'm not going to turn this into a rock and roll concert." and that was pretty much the end of that.

So if the OP were listening to me, and I don't really know why he would, I'd say - forget trying to find something that sounds just like an upright; you've already got something that sounds just like an upright; it stands seven feet high, has a big wooden box, a fretless fingerboard, and a tall bridge. When you want the upright sound but the load-in is just too ridiculous, say to hell with it and bring something else - and play it as close to how you'd play the upright as you can. It won't sound exactly like the upright, but it'll support the group the same way, it'll be a lot better than no bass at all or bass played with the wrong style, and basically no one but you will even notice.
 
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I never said I thought it would sound exactly the same. Just looking for more of the vibe than I get from my electric fretless...Did you listen to the clips I posted in the OP? They are close enough for me. Not exactly the same by any means. Nobody's ever going to hear it and think it sounds like Christian McBride but I know several folks who heard the marcustico from outside the club and were surprised when they went in and saw it was an electric bass.

Didn't know I was disagreeing. Well, you obviously know what you want and you seem to have your answer to your quest already. Just do it.
 
Read that again; the audience will not care.

Actually, THEY WILL CARE. They will care that they do not see an upright bass. It doesn't matter what it sounds like. But TBH, i'm not doing this for the audience. I don't spend 4-5 hours a day practicing jazz because of the audience. I do it for myself. And *I* like the sound of the upright but at 63, having had spinal surgery and accompanying nerve damage, I can no longer handle a 41" upright with high action. So I sold my upright bass a couple years ago to a student who loves it but I'd still love to have something with the thump of upright and not because the audience does or doesn't care, it's because of what I like.

If the Marcustico were made in the USA and were a bit more flexible with the warranty and humidity situation I would just buy it.
 
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...says the following:

Despite what the aforementioned critics described, Montgomery’s electric bass does not sound like an “amplified plink-plonk.” Instead, what is most striking about listen- ing to these recordings today is how similar the original Precision Bass sounds to an upright. While our current conception of the electric bass is derived entirely from later models and playing styles that emphasized its aural difference, it is important to remember that the original Fender Precision Bass came factory-equipped with flat- wound strings and a rubber mute, both of which were designed to make the instrument sonically imitate the dampened, quick-decaying sound of an upright bass (the flat- wound strings gave the bass a more “dead,” i.e. muffled sound, and the rubber mutes housed in the bridge cover prevented the plucked strings from sustaining). These recordings actually evince how successful Fender’s design was at copying this sound. For instance, on “More Crazy,” the timbral differences between Montgomery’s Fender Precision and a traditional upright are subtle, and the only thing that actually sets Montgomery’s bass apart is that it sounds louder and more forceful than might be expected of an upright in a comparable setting.

Here's the relevant recording:

YMMV, of course, but the paper is interesting in any case.
 
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