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So I was in GC one day last week...

Went to GC last week and was just stopping in to get a few things (strings, etc.) Naturally, my curiosity got the best of me and I wandered back to the basses. I scanned the wall for anything new, and something caught my eye... A Sunburst MII 5-string P with plain covered J pickups...hmm....Squier...let's check it out.

I picked it up off the hook and sat down to play it. Before I played it, grabbed the tag to see how much it was going for. I figured judging by the shape it was in that it would be at the very least $200. Nope, it said $99! I was shocked and automatically thought "if anything this would be good for parts."

I played it a bit and noticed it was fretting out on the neck past the 14th fret on a few strings. Upon further inspection I saw that someone had been messing with the action and the saddles were all out of whack! I sighted down the neck and noticed it needed a little TLC. Nothing drastic to be sure. The sales guy said he didn't even know that bass was going for 99 bucks. "I'd grab it before it's gone." I agreed and took it home.


I messed with it for a bit and noticed it sounded "dead" and weak. I thought "man, these pickups suck!" I called Lowend that day and we were talking. "Why don't you get some new strings for it and see how it sounds then?" I did just that; I bought some new DR Lo-Riders and it started to sound better. I was able to back off the pickup height and still have strong sound.

Still I was not totally happy with the tone of the pickups. I started looking for some better pickups for it. Naturally, I consulted TB and found out some interesting stuff. I read that Squier 5s usually just had the 4 string jazz pups on them. This is why the pup covers are plain and have no holes. I got out my screwdriver, popped one of the covers off, and sure enough....FOUR pole pieces. I was pretty P/O'ed. I think that's pretty shady, don't you?

Meanwhile, I took the bass over to Lowend's house and had him check it out. His reaction was to immediately tweak the truss rod to help out the action even more. He was right! It was much better to play after that. I don't have to fight it, and the action is waaaay better. I have been just tweaking with it, and breaking in the strings. I still have two issues that I'm trying to contend with:

1) Pickups: I want to upgrade to something better, but don't want to spend a fortune either.I don't want active pickups, as I feel they are just too expensive. I'm thinking somewhere below-$100 range. EMG Selects in the Stew-Mac catalog look appealing and I'm sure they are better than the stockers. Not only that, the blade pole piece should work a bit better than the 4 and one just hanging on the field of the last string. I also plan on upgrading the stock pots in the near future as well. Okay....


2) I have a strange overtone on the B string that I can't seem to get rid of. Lowend thinks it might be a pickup height issue. This is my guess as well. In addition to the overtone problem, my B string will not intonate as well as the other strings. I do the harmonic and fret at the 12th, and it always comes up sharp. It will probably never be perfect, nonetheless it should be close.

Other than that, it's great and was well worth the little cash I spent. I'm really looking forward to upgrading the electronics, tuners, bridge, and I think this one's a keeper.....Now if I could find some place that makes blank pickguards (with no cutout)....I'm going to just make my own - The plain white has GOT to go. I'm thinking gold anodized like the 57's...
 
you got that squier for a great deal. After alittle work it should be a great bass. I would like to see some pictures too. And as for emg selects they are alright pickups and should be better then stock but I would recomend something else. And I didnt know emg selects were made for 5 string j pickups.

They are blades so they will work on five strings, also as this bass has four string pickups stock, they will fit the routs without modification.
 
Here ya go! I have better ones, but they were too big to fit as an attachment. :bawl:
 

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OK....That being said....after comparing it to the 4-string Squier p-bass special with p and j pups, and the fretless Jazz with Duncan-designed pups, improvements in the pickup dept:help: are definitely in order.

I would describe my tone as more "old school." I'm not a slap player, but I can if I need to. Think more like John Entwistle meets Mel Schacher, but with a little more spank on the top end. I call it "the round sound." Passive pickups are what I'm looking for and within a good price range (under $100.) I mentioned Tesla, and I know there are others. I'm just curious as to what recommendations you all have for pickups.

I turn the floor over to you...
 
In addition to the overtone problem, my B string will not intonate as well as the other strings. I do the harmonic and fret at the 12th, and it always comes up sharp. It will probably never be perfect, nonetheless it should be close.
Have you tried removing the spring? That should allow you to move the saddle back just a little further...

EDIT: Just tried to intone my 5string as well...same issue. And the B string is bent pretty sharp over the saddle; maybe that introduces some unwanted "stiffness pointing in the wrong direction", i.e. the string wants to continue in a thirty degree angle or so, as compared to the desired plane of the strings? That ought to affect intonation in some way, and might have some say in the overtone issue as well?

Eh, I'm just brainstorming.
 
Have you tried removing the spring? That should allow you to move the saddle back just a little further...

EDIT: Just tried to intone my 5string as well...same issue. And the B string is bent pretty sharp over the saddle; maybe that introduces some unwanted "stiffness pointing in the wrong direction", i.e. the string wants to continue in a thirty degree angle or so, as compared to the desired plane of the strings? That ought to affect intonation in some way, and might have some say in the overtone issue as well?

Eh, I'm just brainstorming.
Thanks! I'll give that a try!
 
Went to GC last week... Upon further inspection I saw that someone had been messing with the action and the saddles were all out of whack!

In my experience EVERY bass in GC and Sam Ash is that way. Even brand new basses. And knobs are missing, jacks are lose, pickups hitting the stings.. you name it.

I guess they don't pay their help to set up or fix anything....
 
Seeing as how you've been to LowEnd... When I was having one of my basses gutted and over-hauled Brian told me that Kent Armstrong makes pickups for their Low End jazzes (And I ended up having custom Soapbars made for my Schecter Studio5). If not wanting to spend the dough for actual Kents you could always look at the foreign made versions of his pickups made to his spec's that WDmusic.com sells.

As far as I'm concerned the Kent Armstrong pickups do not get enough attention and love around here. Anything I've put ones in has sounded phenomenal.
 
In my experience EVERY bass in GC and Sam Ash is that way. Even brand new basses. And knobs are missing, jacks are lose, pickups hitting the stings.. you name it.

I guess they don't pay their help to set up or fix anything....



Yeah, I bet you're right. This thing was fretting out around the 14th fret (plink, plink.) Admittedly, when I got this thing, I had a slight case of buyer's remorse, but over the course of the week, I don't feel that way anymore. I put some new DR Lo-Riders on it, and we tweaked the neck a bit. It's 100% better than when it left the store.

Once again, when I took off the pickup covers and found 4 pole pieces instead of 5, I was shocked and felt shafted. Now I know why the pup covers were smooth. Overall, I love the neck on it. I have an Ibanez Soundgear SR485 with a smaller profile neck, and it's too small for me. The Squier neck lets me "stretch out" a bit, and my speed has increased the more I play it.
 
WOW!! Great looking bass for $99.00! I think I may have picked it up for parts, too.

That really sucks about the pups being only 4-pole, but you can always sell them and get back almost what you paid for the guitar itself.

Keep us updated on the new pick ups and how they sound.