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Some long lost Rockstars should stay long lost.

Nov 27, 2003
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Okay, most of the time when a retired Rockstar resurfaces the Rock community welcomes them back with open arms.
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This is Vincent Cusano, AKA Vinnie Vincent and as this picture shows he came to fame by being a member of one of the most famous metal bands of all time.
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Kiss in the early eighties from left to right: Eric Carr, Paul Stanley, Vinnie Vincent and Gene Simmons.

Having Vinnie in the band meant a resurgence for Kiss because Vinnie was really good at doing THIS.

And with two very strong albums in "Creatures of the night" and "Lick it up" made that Kiss had firmly reestablished themselves in the eighties Metal landscape.

But when Kiss went on tour to support those albums they quickly found that they made a mistake having Vinnie in their fold. Because, look at the logistics which come with doing a tour:
- You have to hire truckers to move the entire thing from city to city during the tour
- You have to hire a crew to build the stage
- You have to hire sound crew to make sure the shows sound good every night
- You have to hire special effects people to make sure the pyrotechnics of a show will work as they should every single night. (Certainly for a band like Kiss, that's their bread and butter right there.)
- You have to hire promoters to make sure the venues can be booked.
AND
- You have to make sure that every single one of those people hired is insured, because should a calamity happen to that said person, medical bills would be taken care off by the insurance company.

So every single member of the tour crew (Which includes the band members themselves) has to sign a contract which in return means:
- That they will be insured during that said tour.
- Will receive proper payment for their services for the full duration of that tour.
- Will be properly taken care of, have a bed to sleep in and enough to eat during the tour.

Vinnie let his contract expire which meant that the band was basically touring with an uninsured employee and basically had to pay for hotel stays out of their own pockets but that wasn't the biggest issue. THIS was...

As I pointed out earlier, a Kiss show is a well planned out event, it HAS to be. But Vinnie's solos became longer and longer, screwing up the tightly rehearsed timeline of the show and after coming near blows with Paul Stanley one night, Vinnie was shown the door.

Paul Stanley recounting that tour.

Vinnie then had the gall to sue Kiss for unpaid royalties but when the Judge was shown the paperwork which clearly pointed out that when Vinnie was still under contract he was paid accordingly and after that said contract expired, the band had no legal objection to pay him.

So Vinnie was out but his tenure with Kiss wasn't for nothing, plenty of people wanted to work with this hot-shot guitarist, resulting in a multi million dollars deal with Chrystalis records and a band called the Vinnie Vincent Invasion but...

The band itself was just as big a train wreck as this video is. Eventually Vinnie was fired by his own bandmates.

Even so, you're something special if you make Gene Simmons look humble.

During the nineties Vinnie became a recluse, sometimes he popped up on Kiss conventions where he was pretty surprised by the fact that people actually were glad to see him.

Notice something off with his playing?
Anyway, he announced at those appearances that he was doing a Vinnie Vincent Boxset which would include rare demos, outtakes and unreleased material, there were plenty of people paying in advance to have that boxset, Vinnie was all too happy to take their money...and run.

Anyway, a few years ago, his name once again came up when he was evicted from his house when people complained about bad smell and he was arrested for domestic abuse. So there was little chance this fallen Rock star would ever be on his feet again. Right?

Wrong.
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Earlier this year, Vinnie once again showed up at a Kiss convention, where he had a meet and greet with the fans, played some acoustic stuff (Showcasing that he hasn't had a guitar in his hands for YEARS!) and basically acted the hero, who had returned from the brink. But as questions about the Boxsets were brought up, it was quickly revealed that very little has changed...

And what do you know?

There was a convention in Nashville that wanted a Vinnie Vincent Invasion reunion concert. They didn't have much money, but they had volunteers, so the deal is, he gets 100% of the door, 100% of the merch and 100% of the VIP packages, but no money up front. He waited until he thought it was too late to cancel and then asked for a guarantee. They thought: 'okay, he hasn't changed, and if we say yes to this, there will be more nonsense', and then they cancelled.

But if that wasn't enough, guess what he pulled off today?


I can only roll my eyes at this. The guy should give it up, he's not a rock star anymore
 
I just want to dwell on that point for a second: Vinnie Vincent was fired from The Vinnie Vincent Invasion?!?!?
That is awesome.

Then the remainder morphed into 'Slaughter', IIRC. But there have been precedents, more or less. Blood, Sweat and Tears was originally Al Kooper's band, bringing with him guitarist Steve Katz from the Blues Project. After the first album, which got respectable exposure on 'underground' FM radio, a mutany occurred, and Kooper was booted out(but that's OK, we wouldn't have had the "Super Session" album). The Tremelos, of "Here Comes My Baby" and "Silence Is Golden" fame, had been known as Brian Poole and The Tremelos. Poor Brian was left in the dust. Foghat had essentially been the upteenth version of Savoy Brown, when the other three took a hike on Kim Simmons and added guitarist Rod Price; don't Know if there was any acrimony.
 
Okay, most of the time when a retired Rockstar resurfaces the Rock community welcomes them back with open arms.
View attachment 3109337
This is Vincent Cusano, AKA Vinnie Vincent and as this picture shows he came to fame by being a member of one of the most famous metal bands of all time.
View attachment 3109338
Kiss in the early eighties from left to right: Eric Carr, Paul Stanley, Vinnie Vincent and Gene Simmons.

Having Vinnie in the band meant a resurgence for Kiss because Vinnie was really good at doing THIS.

And with two very strong albums in "Creatures of the night" and "Lick it up" made that Kiss had firmly reestablished themselves in the eighties Metal landscape.

But when Kiss went on tour to support those albums they quickly found that they made a mistake having Vinnie in their fold. Because, look at the logistics which come with doing a tour:
- You have to hire truckers to move the entire thing from city to city during the tour
- You have to hire a crew to build the stage
- You have to hire sound crew to make sure the shows sound good every night
- You have to hire special effects people to make sure the pyrotechnics of a show will work as they should every single night. (Certainly for a band like Kiss, that's their bread and butter right there.)
- You have to hire promoters to make sure the venues can be booked.
AND
- You have to make sure that every single one of those people hired is insured, because should a calamity happen to that said person, medical bills would be taken care off by the insurance company.

So every single member of the tour crew (Which includes the band members themselves) has to sign a contract which in return means:
- That they will be insured during that said tour.
- Will receive proper payment for their services for the full duration of that tour.
- Will be properly taken care of, have a bed to sleep in and enough to eat during the tour.

Vinnie let his contract expire which meant that the band was basically touring with an uninsured employee and basically had to pay for hotel stays out of their own pockets but that wasn't the biggest issue. THIS was...

As I pointed out earlier, a Kiss show is a well planned out event, it HAS to be. But Vinnie's solos became longer and longer, screwing up the tightly rehearsed timeline of the show and after coming near blows with Paul Stanley one night, Vinnie was shown the door.

Paul Stanley recounting that tour.

Vinnie then had the gall to sue Kiss for unpaid royalties but when the Judge was shown the paperwork which clearly pointed out that when Vinnie was still under contract he was paid accordingly and after that said contract expired, the band had no legal objection to pay him.

So Vinnie was out but his tenure with Kiss wasn't for nothing, plenty of people wanted to work with this hot-shot guitarist, resulting in a multi million dollars deal with Chrystalis records and a band called the Vinnie Vincent Invasion but...

The band itself was just as big a train wreck as this video is. Eventually Vinnie was fired by his own bandmates.

Even so, you're something special if you make Gene Simmons look humble.

During the nineties Vinnie became a recluse, sometimes he popped up on Kiss conventions where he was pretty surprised by the fact that people actually were glad to see him.

Notice something off with his playing?
Anyway, he announced at those appearances that he was doing a Vinnie Vincent Boxset which would include rare demos, outtakes and unreleased material, there were plenty of people paying in advance to have that boxset, Vinnie was all too happy to take their money...and run.

Anyway, a few years ago, his name once again came up when he was evicted from his house when people complained about bad smell and he was arrested for domestic abuse. So there was little chance this fallen Rock star would ever be on his feet again. Right?

Wrong.
View attachment 3109339
Earlier this year, Vinnie once again showed up at a Kiss convention, where he had a meet and greet with the fans, played some acoustic stuff (Showcasing that he hasn't had a guitar in his hands for YEARS!) and basically acted the hero, who had returned from the brink. But as questions about the Boxsets were brought up, it was quickly revealed that very little has changed...

And what do you know?

There was a convention in Nashville that wanted a Vinnie Vincent Invasion reunion concert. They didn't have much money, but they had volunteers, so the deal is, he gets 100% of the door, 100% of the merch and 100% of the VIP packages, but no money up front. He waited until he thought it was too late to cancel and then asked for a guarantee. They thought: 'okay, he hasn't changed, and if we say yes to this, there will be more nonsense', and then they cancelled.

But if that wasn't enough, guess what he pulled off today?


I can only roll my eyes at this. The guy should give it up, he's not a rock star anymore


I got to say man, that is one hell of a post. Nice presentation. I never was much of a KISS fan but for some reason I saw them 2 times when Vinnie was in the band. I don't really remember Vinnie.
 
I just want to dwell on that point for a second: Vinnie Vincent was fired from The Vinnie Vincent Invasion?!?!?
That is awesome.
The thing is that Chrystalis records' contract deal was for six albums and he delivered only two which took an awful long time to record and cost way more money than was needed. That was because Mr. Cusano was constantly going "We should re-record this." with every single take they did, read the interview with Bobby Rock where he describes laying down the drums for the albums as "A descent into hell"
Welcome To Hell: Recording Drums for the First Vinnie Vincent Invasion Album – Part 1

So the Record company was going "Enough with the delay, you'd better start to deliver or else..." and proving themselves to stern enforcers took the $4 million contract away from Vinnie Vincent for over exceeding his credit line with the label, and transferred the contract to the other members of the band.

Vinnie Vincent was fired from his own band.
 
Okay, most of the time when a retired Rockstar resurfaces the Rock community welcomes them back with open arms.
View attachment 3109337
This is Vincent Cusano, AKA Vinnie Vincent and as this picture shows he came to fame by being a member of one of the most famous metal bands of all time.
View attachment 3109338
Kiss in the early eighties from left to right: Eric Carr, Paul Stanley, Vinnie Vincent and Gene Simmons.

Having Vinnie in the band meant a resurgence for Kiss because Vinnie was really good at doing THIS.

And with two very strong albums in "Creatures of the night" and "Lick it up" made that Kiss had firmly reestablished themselves in the eighties Metal landscape.

But when Kiss went on tour to support those albums they quickly found that they made a mistake having Vinnie in their fold. Because, look at the logistics which come with doing a tour:
- You have to hire truckers to move the entire thing from city to city during the tour
- You have to hire a crew to build the stage
- You have to hire sound crew to make sure the shows sound good every night
- You have to hire special effects people to make sure the pyrotechnics of a show will work as they should every single night. (Certainly for a band like Kiss, that's their bread and butter right there.)
- You have to hire promoters to make sure the venues can be booked.
AND
- You have to make sure that every single one of those people hired is insured, because should a calamity happen to that said person, medical bills would be taken care off by the insurance company.

So every single member of the tour crew (Which includes the band members themselves) has to sign a contract which in return means:
- That they will be insured during that said tour.
- Will receive proper payment for their services for the full duration of that tour.
- Will be properly taken care of, have a bed to sleep in and enough to eat during the tour.

Vinnie let his contract expire which meant that the band was basically touring with an uninsured employee and basically had to pay for hotel stays out of their own pockets but that wasn't the biggest issue. THIS was...

As I pointed out earlier, a Kiss show is a well planned out event, it HAS to be. But Vinnie's solos became longer and longer, screwing up the tightly rehearsed timeline of the show and after coming near blows with Paul Stanley one night, Vinnie was shown the door.

Paul Stanley recounting that tour.

Vinnie then had the gall to sue Kiss for unpaid royalties but when the Judge was shown the paperwork which clearly pointed out that when Vinnie was still under contract he was paid accordingly and after that said contract expired, the band had no legal objection to pay him.

So Vinnie was out but his tenure with Kiss wasn't for nothing, plenty of people wanted to work with this hot-shot guitarist, resulting in a multi million dollars deal with Chrystalis records and a band called the Vinnie Vincent Invasion but...

The band itself was just as big a train wreck as this video is. Eventually Vinnie was fired by his own bandmates.

Even so, you're something special if you make Gene Simmons look humble.

During the nineties Vinnie became a recluse, sometimes he popped up on Kiss conventions where he was pretty surprised by the fact that people actually were glad to see him.

Notice something off with his playing?
Anyway, he announced at those appearances that he was doing a Vinnie Vincent Boxset which would include rare demos, outtakes and unreleased material, there were plenty of people paying in advance to have that boxset, Vinnie was all too happy to take their money...and run.

Anyway, a few years ago, his name once again came up when he was evicted from his house when people complained about bad smell and he was arrested for domestic abuse. So there was little chance this fallen Rock star would ever be on his feet again. Right?

Wrong.
View attachment 3109339
Earlier this year, Vinnie once again showed up at a Kiss convention, where he had a meet and greet with the fans, played some acoustic stuff (Showcasing that he hasn't had a guitar in his hands for YEARS!) and basically acted the hero, who had returned from the brink. But as questions about the Boxsets were brought up, it was quickly revealed that very little has changed...

And what do you know?

There was a convention in Nashville that wanted a Vinnie Vincent Invasion reunion concert. They didn't have much money, but they had volunteers, so the deal is, he gets 100% of the door, 100% of the merch and 100% of the VIP packages, but no money up front. He waited until he thought it was too late to cancel and then asked for a guarantee. They thought: 'okay, he hasn't changed, and if we say yes to this, there will be more nonsense', and then they cancelled.

But if that wasn't enough, guess what he pulled off today?


I can only roll my eyes at this. The guy should give it up, he's not a rock star anymore


just took a listen to that vinnie vincent invasion song, first I've ever heard of it. While KISS was always a band that, while I like, I can genuinely think of as kinda tasteless (hey, this is bombastic, loud arena-based rock n roll, the home of blue jeans and blue ribbon, you want class, look elsewhere) - there's some good, or at least decent, songwriting in there. That "invasion" clip seemed to have no good, or at least decent, songwriting in there at all.

I knew a guy that played like that, he tried out for a prog rock band I was in quite a while ago. He was good at what he did, but genuinely didn't know when to slow down, or just dial it back to fit the mix.
 
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Vinnie Vincent's KISS?!?!?!?!! LMAO! I'd love to hear Gene and Paul's reaction to that one.

Yeah, it's pretty well-documented that Vinnie is like five miles of bad road wherever he pops up.

I'm a KISS fan the same way I get sucked out to sea by a rip tide. They are a rock icon by force of will and determination, and to be fair, some of the songs do rock, and the stage shows are larger than life. They have made a lot of good business moves, and hiring Vinnie is one of the rare gigantic screw ups in their career.

Like Paul said, follow your gut or live with the consequences.

I know a couple of people who got burned to the tune of $120.00 by the unfulfilled promise of The Vinnie Vincent Archives. AFAIK, that box set (first announced in '96? '98?) has never materialized.

BTW, I've seen and heard some video/audio of Vinnie on his most recent comeback tour at the KISS conventions and elsewhere, doing his little mini acoustic schtick and singing a couple of "new originals." He does sound like he hasn't had a guitar in his hands for a long time, and his voice is shot. You would have to be the hardest of the hardcore KISS/Vinnie fans to keep hanging in there with this guy.
 
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