Hey, I would like to know which amp head I should use to power these speakers, and also what would the wiring diagram look like for everything...
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Speaker wiring set up
- Thread starter Douglas Howard
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It looks like you're intending on an interesting and challenging journey -- building a three-way speaker system, and without knowing very much about it. What would the wiring diagram look like? For starters, it would look like it had some sort of crossover and/or high-pass filters in it. If you're really want to build a three-way cab, I respectfully suggest you search these pages for information about Greenboy Fearful (sometimes styled as fEARful) speakers. It would be so much less difficult to build/copy a proven design that to start from scratch.
And welcome to Talkbass.
And welcome to Talkbass.
You need to design a cabinet that is correct for the speakers. Since it looks like the components are for a three-way design, you will need to learn how to design a crossover as well. Both three-way designs and crossovers are what I'd consider advanced studies. I'm not familiar with the Dayton, but I'm guessing it's for home audio and not bass guitar.
Since I take it that you are a novice at this, I'd recommend starting with something much simpler before taking this on.
Any amp can be used.
Since I take it that you are a novice at this, I'd recommend starting with something much simpler before taking this on.
Any amp can be used.
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I think one of the bigger challenges is reconciling the VERY low sensitivity of the inappropriate LF driver with the other components and the real world needs of bass guitar.
This would be a good opportunity to learn more about speakers, before spending any money.
This would be a good opportunity to learn more about speakers, before spending any money.
Not a bass cab but it looks like a pretty good bookshelf set up.
Bass cabs typically use high sensitivity "pro/pa" style woofers instead of home audio woofers. You could make something decent if you really know how to design speakers but its going to be hard.
Stick to a proven design. It's going to be cheaper and have way better results.
Fearful 12/6/1 if you really want a threeway
BFM simplexx 10 or 12 if you want something simple and a little smaller
I'm trying to build a small yet deep and throaty cabinet... does anyone know a good 8" speaker that will be around 20-35hz ? The smaller sized speakers are on eminence's website under bass guitar speakers, however their range begins at 90hz so I figured that would be great to cover the middle range of the sound, the only high pass filter would be on the tweeter.
You don't need to go that low. Most of what you hear are the harmonic components of the fundamental.
Welcome to Talkbass.
The best advice I can offer at this point, is to unlearn all the misconceptions about bass cabs and speakers that you seem to be bringing to this discussion. Then spend some time learning, and asking relevant questions based on real world bass guitar applications. This is what I had to do in the beginning. I'm still on that journey. Check what you know about hi-fi stuff at the door. This is a whole other world.
I know it's not what you wanted to hear right out of the gate, but anyone here would be remiss in not trying to send you down the right path.
Good luck on your quest, and stick around and learn.
The best advice I can offer at this point, is to unlearn all the misconceptions about bass cabs and speakers that you seem to be bringing to this discussion. Then spend some time learning, and asking relevant questions based on real world bass guitar applications. This is what I had to do in the beginning. I'm still on that journey. Check what you know about hi-fi stuff at the door. This is a whole other world.
I know it's not what you wanted to hear right out of the gate, but anyone here would be remiss in not trying to send you down the right path.
Good luck on your quest, and stick around and learn.
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Notice the passive radiator on the side of the large cabinet.
No, it does not exist with any kind of reasonable sensitivity and mid response. there is a reason why the drivers that are available for bass guitar applications are not like what you are looking for. Because they are a terrible choice in just about every way.
Besides, assuming you are looking at the parameter Fs, there is zero benefit to that without considering how it will work in a cabinet, and the size/tuning of the cabinet. The assumption that you want VERY low frequency reproduction is a fallacy for bass guitar amplification.
Good advice. The hi-fi world is full of false hopes, promises and bunk science peddled as obtuse marketing fodder.
To directly address this question, Faital makes a number of well-regarded 8" drivers. The lowest Fs you'll find is about 60Hz, though.
It's such a cliche that I'm embarrassed to be repeating it, but very broadly speaking, it's loud, low or small - pick any two. You can build a very small cab that will go pretty low, but it isn't going to be loud enough to be of any use.
But let's get some more basic info; what is the purpose of this cab? Bedroom practice rig? Jam sessions in a friend's basement? Jam sessions in a bar? Playing with acoustic instruments? Drums? Help us out with more data.
It's to play at my apartment. I have a Acoustic B100 I tossed an eminence legend 15" in that goes pretty loud....
I just want to make a solid bass amp that thumps some nice lows. I have a six string bass i jam on it.
I actually know more about Pro speakers than I do Hifi speakers, I just wanted to know what the best way to wire these speakers were and how many watts would be the best.
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How much power is based on the speaker's mechanical power handling. Without doing the math, there's no way to know.
If you learn more about the subject, it will quickly become obvious why it's not a good idea.
If you learn more about the subject, it will quickly become obvious why it's not a good idea.
I had a blast fabricating a BFM Jack Lite 10 earlier this year. Super pleased with the results. Did I learn a lot, yes, but it wasn't how to design a cabinet from scratch around a marginally OK speaker. Which I would classify as the advanced lesson. The project scratched my "need to tinker" itch and I have a nice cab that works well. Lots of love around here also for the fEARfuls.
Not sure what you mean by "pro speakers"? Do you mean professional sound re-enforcement systems? Like P.A's used for concerts, at stadiums, in auditoriums and other large spaces? If so, that is right up in the wheelhouse of @agedhorse, who has extensive engineering prowess and decades of practical experience on such things.
If I guessed correctly, the two of you should have a lot in common that can help you better understand the nuances of the discussion you started. You two should put on your engineering hats and work through this. It should be a pretty short conversation, as a lot of what I'm guessing you already know, is translatable to what you need to know.
"More" is a term defining a relationship that is relative. I may know 'more' about regular street cars than race cars, but that isn't an indication I should be working on either.
