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Squier Precision Vintage Modified Problems

My bass collection doubled yesterday with the addition of a Squier Vintage Modified Precision Bass. I've been playing them in stores locally for the past 2 months or so and finally purchased one last weekend.

I got it at music123.com, taking advantage of the 20% off cupon they had running last week. That got me a price of $200 rather than $250, and no tax or shipping. Pretty good deal.

I must admit I am dissapointed by the bass. firstly the packaging is sub par for something that gets shipped. The box has very little inside it to keep the bass from sliding all around. Just a couple pieces of cardboard. No padding, packing peanuts or anything. It arrived fairly dinged up.

Upon removing the bass the first thing I noticed is that there are a ton of flaws in the paint. They look like dimples or dents in the wood. They are in a semi random row about 3/4 inch wide and go from the end of they bass across the face to the upper cutaway. They are visible on the back side too.

Also on the side of the bass, below the controls and jack, there was, I thought at first, scuffed paint. There were about 5 black lines, very visible. After rubbing the area with a cleaning cloth it came off. Conveyer belt skids or something?

The 3rd issue is the deal breeaker. The action on it was a mile high out of the box. I did expect that, so I got out my setup tools. At first adjusting the truss rod had an effect. But as I dialed out bow from the neck it began to not do anything. There's tension on the rod when I turn the adjusting nut, but the bow isn't coming out. It also had horrible buzz on the top frets after making a slight reliefe adjustment.

My recent experience with my newish MIM jazz bass gave me a clue to what that issue was. I removed the strings and the nect to inspect the neck pocket for buit up paint as on my jazz. The first thing I found was a sandpaper neck shim. The second was a lot of sawdust and actual wood pieces in the in the corners of the pocket. The screw holes on the back of the neck also had big splinters around thier edges, as if drilled to quickley or with a dull bit.

I removed the shim, blew out the dust, and lightly buffed the wood on the back of the neck with some very fine sandpaper to remove the splinters. The surface on the neck pocket is another matter. It's about the same smoothness as rough grade fence lumber. I'm guessing it can't be too level either. It wasn't ever sanded and just painted over. Again it looks like a cut made by a dull bit.

I reassembled it and tried lowering the saddles again. This time It went better, but I'm concerned about the truss rod not seeming to have an effect on the neck. I'm going by my luthiers today to see what he says. If it's a dud, I'll ship it back and try again.

The biggest bummer is that the sound is killer. It's exactly what I was looking for. It's also very comfortable on my fretting hand. I was a little concerned about a neck wider than I'm used to but that isn't gonna be an issue at all.

I also didn't expect it to be a jewel of a bass but the stuff I saw as far as it's condition when it left the factory has me a little concerned. I have to admit, of the 4 or 5 I played locally, only one had even close to a decent setup on it. All the rest were just like this one when I unboxed it. The paint is another concern. There are flaws similar to this on my MIM jazz, but I got over it. Not nearly as many. I guess I'll decide after the luthier looks at it.

All that blathering on deserves a pic so here she is.

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I'm still puzzled about why people are willing to shell out $200 for something so likely to be utter crap. I guess for the price range youre getting what you pay for. Crappy pickups, crappy wood, CRAPPY necks. You buy a $200 bass and spend another $200 on mods. At the end of the day you have a cheap version of a mexi standard, and you dont even get an alder body. Given, people need basses in that range because sometimes that's all they can afford at the time or they are just starting out and don't need to shell out $500 for a starter, but can the experienced shopper expect to be surprised by the remarkable quality of these instruments out of the box? I think not. GAS strikes in the most unexpected ways. All that said, I'm still tempted to get one of those Classic Vibe sonic blue P basses and throw my mexi neck on it.
I've always craved a P bass in that color. Im just not gonna pay that much to do it.
 
Eh... for $200, it's tough to complain, but still if you're not able to set it up to your liking, send it back. I've had some basses I've struggled with for months, without being able to get them right. It's a waste of time, compared to find the bass that is set up perfectly and feels like butter in your hand.
 
I'm still puzzled about why people are willing to shell out $200 for something so likely to be utter crap.

Because the majority of the Squier VM basses are not utter crap , granted you may get a crap one but that is just as likely with the MIM Fenders , Squier have worked hard recently to improve the quality of their basses and there are many people who would agree that the VM and Classic vibe Squiers are much better basses than there price tags would suggest and some people actually prefer them to the MIM Fenders
 
I play cheap basses because I beat the snot out of them on a nightly basis. If I break it, smash it, or it gets stolen, I'm only out a few bucks. I can't play to my fullest potential if I'm worried about dinging a $3000 handmade piece of art. The only upgrades my cheapies enjoy is Seymour Duncan pickups, and a Badass bridge. Some of them don't even get the pickups!

Not to mention that most of the new Squiers coming out are fantasic in quality and sound. I played the most resonant bass I've ever heard the other day. It was a Classic Vibe Jazz hangin on the wall at GC. I wouldn't buy one online though, because QC is shaky.
 
I wouldn't buy one online though, because QC is shaky.

That's the problem - a lot of times, local music stores won't have the full line, and you're forced to buy online. I was on 48th St. a few weeks ago, and I only saw a VM P & Fretless.

BTW, I have a VM-P, and had none of the issues the OP had.
Maybe you should send it back and take another spin on the cosmic roulette wheel :hmm:
 
I'm back from the luthier and the news is good. The main issue being the truss rod that wouldn't adjust is solved. Basically it was loose, meaning there had hardly been any turns put on it when built. I stopped messing with it when I had done one full turn in 1/8 turn incriments because I didn't want to screw it up.

Now the neck is nice and level with just a slight bow. The strings are just where I want em with no buzz anywhere. I can live with the paint defects, that was bound to happen.

Some of the posts I'm reading above are ..... well... it's a public forum.

I have a 45 day satisfaction guarantee for returning it free so that's not a problem.

Out of the box I'd rate it a 2 out of 5 for a bargain instrument. The crud and splinters under the neck in the pocket made it totally out of whack. That isn't something hard for the factory to remedy either.

Now it'd rate it a 4 of 5, again on the bargain instrument range. I never expected it to be perfect, just not as bad as it was.

Now I'm gonna spend my weekend playing it and recording and using it for what I got it for.

It'll be interesting to see how the SX Jazz I'm waiting for compares to it :)


The QC buying one locally wouldn't have been any better. There's a bass hanging on the wall at my local GC that was mine for about 3 weeks untill I returned it. Being sold as new with a nice speedbump sized hump in the neck. This was a new bass, fresh out of the box just like any other. It's not like a store is gonna have 50 pristine examples for me to select from. I'd get either what's hanging on the wall (and that's nothing great depending on who hung it there and how desperate they are to sell it) or whatever comes in the box just like what I already have.
 
I just got a VM-P today. GC had 2 of them and the one I snatched up was a lot better than the other. First off, mine was at least 2 pounds heavier than the other one, was cosmetically perfect, had a waaayyy better neck pocket, nicer fretboard and nicer neck. The other one had several cosmetic issues as well (crummy pocket, crack in finish at pocket, knots in wood, filler and black marks on neck) plus crummy set up. :hmm:Sooo, big difference in QC still happenin' at squire but the good ones are pretty good (for $250 that is). Take yours back and get one that you will be more pleased with Good Luck. :bassist:
 
The neck pocket on mine could have been better as well.

I got it at GC so I saw and heard what I was getting and was OK with the bass construction. The thing that mattered most was that it sounds great and is very easy to play.

BTW, while I went to lunch the sales manager (who is a local accomplished bass player) took the time to change the strings (flatwounds), set it up for low action, tuned it 1/2 step down because he knew my band tuned down, and also did the bridge saddles and intonation. I never expected that. His setup was spot-on.

Of course I don't buy anything at GC unless he is there.
 
Get another one. you were just unlucky. Hopefully they will do a straight exchange

My thoughts exactly! But, do not tell them you too the thing apart! Just tell them about the cosmetic issues and the beat to hell box when you contact them to send it back.

And, sort of on topic, Agathis gets a bad rap, I wonder how many folks know their bass is Agathis?
 
It'll be interesting to see how the SX Jazz I'm waiting for compares to it :)

I can tell you how my SX jazzies compare to my VM Jazz....I love them all, equally well. Each has their strong points and weaknesses, but I do not regret buying any of them! In the SX I have one alder body and one ash body, and the VM is maple. All have slight tonal idiosyncrasies and their own personality. And now each has a different set of strings from 3 different manufacturers so they really have that something that sets them apart. I'd be interested to hear your comparison.
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behold...the rant of the ignorant...:rollno: (note: i'm not calling you "stupid", just "misinformed"...ergo "ignorant")

crappy pickups...not really...the pickups on my squier are fine...crappy wood???...my bass is painted solid, hence, I haven't noticed anything "crappy" about the wood...the neck on my squier is EXCELLENT!...I paid $300 and spent ZERO (that's nothing in english) on mods.

At the end of the day, I have a VERY GOOD bass for $300...

and as you continue through your post the hypocricy grows to astounding levels...(not that I'm calling you a "hypocrit", but I AM strongly suggesting that your post is hypocritical...:D)



I'm still puzzled about why people are willing to shell out $200 for something so likely to be utter crap. I guess for the price range youre getting what you pay for. Crappy pickups, crappy wood, CRAPPY necks. You buy a $200 bass and spend another $200 on mods. At the end of the day you have a cheap version of a mexi standard, and you dont even get an alder body. Given, people need basses in that range because sometimes that's all they can afford at the time or they are just starting out and don't need to shell out $500 for a starter, but can the experienced shopper expect to be surprised by the remarkable quality of these instruments out of the box? I think not. GAS strikes in the most unexpected ways. All that said, I'm still tempted to get one of those Classic Vibe sonic blue P basses and throw my mexi neck on it.
I've always craved a P bass in that color. Im just not gonna pay that much to do it.

the rant of the
 
I suggest used, when it comes to cheap basses.
I got a Squier Standard P-Bass, 20th. Anniversary Editon, 5 string from craigslist for $90!
It says Precision Bass on the headstock, but features a J-bass pickup configuration.
Here it is:

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It's in perfect condition, which is attributable to the seller, but the fit and finish on it are great, and it sounds good. Good bass from Squier.
I wanted to try a 5, and didn't want to spend a bunch, so that's what I got. It was offered at $100, I offered him $80, and we settled on $90. Fair as hell for a nice bass.
Here is my other cheap, used gem:

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It is a Cort B4. Active Bartolini MK1 pickups, slim, Jazz-like neck, in good conditon. Put new chromes on it, and it rocks. Another craigslist score. Guy was asking $125, I offered $100, and he went for it.
My point is, if you're into trying new basses, want more strings, or are just into quantity but can't afford high-end, like me, used is the way to go.
Back to Squier, the 5'er is my first, and I thinks it's very good for the money, even if it was $299 for new.

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Aaaaaaaaaand.... Yanked Back from the dead.

I decided to return the Squier. It just didn't feel right. Especially after I got it to begin to behave and get it setup. The neck pocket was cut really deep and getting the action to a medium level was as low as it was gonna go. The set screws on the height adjusters for the E and G string were bottomed out. They were close to perfect at that level but not quite low enough. Add in a scratchy tone and volume pot and the paint defects and that was it.

I returned it at a bad time. Just before Thanksgiving so it took quite a while to get there and back because of the holiday but the process was easy and free. Music123 stood by thier guarantee.

The odd part is that it wasn't returned by them. The replacement shipped from musicians friend. A call to both CS depts. led me to find they are the same warehouse. I knew they are owned by the same corporation but I didn't expect one to use the customer system of the other. All the email generated by the return to music123 was generated by Musiciansfriend.

The new one arrived a couple of hours ago. The first thing I noticed was that it was packaged entirely differently than the original. This time rather than being shipped in the box it sits on the shelf waiting to be sold in, it was in a very sturdy cardboard box held closed by those plastic straps and heavy tape. The outer box looked in much better shape than the first one. (The UPS guys must be tired from all the holiday shipping and just not able to beat stuff up properly)

After opening the outer box, I saw the fender factory box inside surrounded by heavy brown paper. It was held in place fairly firmly.

The factory Fender box and packing method of it were different than the first one too. This time the part of the box that holds the bass slid out rather than just opening. The body of the bass was cradled in a cardboard U to keep it from shifting around. The cardboard that held the headstock was the same as the first as was the plastic/foam bag around the Bass.

This time, no dirt or marks on the body, and no blems in the paint. Also very different than the first one, this ones neck is pretty flat. Good action right out of the box too.

Plugging it in and playing it revealed great tone like the first one, but no scratchy pots.

The truss rod adjuster has immediate effect on the neck, totally unlike the first one.

I'm happy now. Very happy. I sorta felt I was being picky on the first one. I mean it's a $250 bass, and I got it for $200 on sale. Had I not read such glowing comments about them here, I probably wouldn't have cared about the defects on the first one. Well I would have cared, but I'd have thought they were all like it.

My final take is that it's a good bass. I'm sure I'll get a lot of enjoyment out of it.

I also ordered 2 SX's this past friday and they're supposed to arrive in the 15th. A P/J and a Jazz, I'm very curious to see how they measure up the to the Squire VM P. Both in tone/playability and in value for money.