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Still playing simple stuff

KingRazor

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Jun 4, 2010
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4 and 1/2 years into this (which I realize isn't that long really) and I still feel like I can only play really simple stuff. I play a lot of CCM which is mostly 8th note roots, and while there are a couple of cool little fills in some of the songs that I can play, even those are pretty basic.

Problem is when I try to play anything beyond that, it feels like it's way beyond my ability.

I tried slowing YYZ down to 30BPMs and still can't play it. I realize that's a big jump from CCM stuff, but it's been tough to find stuff "in between".

It seems like any bass line I hear is either really simple and something that'll take me a day at most to learn, or something really hard that I can spend weeks on without any noticeable improvement.

Any ideas?
 
Work on the basics.
Scales
Arpeggios
Chord tones, walking lines
Rhythms

There are lots of books out there and teachers that can help you. If you have teachers in your area then I highly recommend you do a few lessons at least.

And play with others, always play with others.

And listen listen listen to as much varied kinds of music as possible.
 
Work on the basics.
Scales
Arpeggios
Chord tones, walking lines
Rhythms

I try to although it gets boring really quickly.

And play with others, always play with others.

I really wish I could do this. Unfortunately I just don't have the time. :hmm:

Maybe when I'm done with college.

I do think lessons could help. There is the time issue still though. And the lessons would have to be pretty cheap.
 
A simple playing style can still be really cool if done tastefully. Perhaps working on your phrasing and the harmonic content of your lines could yield more useful results than simple finger aerobics.
 
Let me weigh in on simple stuff. I used to play all sorts of fancy stuff. I played in some pretty ambitious bands. In 1986 someone asked me if I could fill in on some bluegrass. I had to start bass all over again. No kidding. I had to learn to play very simple, very solid with great timing and tone. I had to learn to play very straight most of the time and drop in one or two extra notes every once in a while. It was much harder than playing fancy. And you know happened next? I got solid. I made everyone else sound much better than they were on their own. I became more of a player's player. I was in demand. Folks who don't know much about music and bands didn't notice me but the musicians did. And you know what? It was great. Play the simple stuff. Play it really well.
 
Let me weigh in on simple stuff. I used to play all sorts of fancy stuff. I played in some pretty ambitious bands. In 1986 someone asked me if I could fill in on some bluegrass. I had to start bass all over again. No kidding. I had to learn to play very simple, very solid with great timing and tone. I had to learn to play very straight most of the time and drop in one or two extra notes every once in a while. It was much harder than playing fancy. And you know happened next? I got solid. I made everyone else sound much better than they were on their own. I became more of a player's player. I was in demand. Folks who don't know much about music and bands didn't notice me but the musicians did. And you know what? It was great. Play the simple stuff. Play it really well.

Word. One year in, starting to chafe a bit at my limitations, and yet I'm starting to get this. Solid is good. Fancy may or may not be. Thanks for the words of wisdom. :)
 
Let me weigh in on simple stuff. I used to play all sorts of fancy stuff. I played in some pretty ambitious bands. In 1986 someone asked me if I could fill in on some bluegrass. I had to start bass all over again. No kidding. I had to learn to play very simple, very solid with great timing and tone. I had to learn to play very straight most of the time and drop in one or two extra notes every once in a while. It was much harder than playing fancy. And you know happened next? I got solid. I made everyone else sound much better than they were on their own. I became more of a player's player. I was in demand. Folks who don't know much about music and bands didn't notice me but the musicians did. And you know what? It was great. Play the simple stuff. Play it really well.

I understand that simple is not bad. But I would like to at least have the option to play fancy stuff when I so choose. I'd rather have the chops to play fancy stuff and play really simple stuff most of the time, rather than only ever playing the simple stuff because I can't do anything more.
 
take all the songs CCR covers, and learn the originals! Much more interesting bass playing.

Tina Turner rocks harder at 70 than 99% of TB (including me) could ever hope to.

Well worth a watch.
 
This may sound weird, but start trying to play Guitar riffs. Start out with easier things like:
•Hazy Shade of Winter- The Bangles
•The Girl I Love She Got Long Black Wavy Hair- Led Zeppelin
•Day Tripper- the Beatles

And then work your way up to things like this:
•Welcome Home- Coheed and Cambria
•Black Dog-Led Zeppelin

Things like that. This should give you a better sense of melody.

Also: know your pentatonic scale. When you get good at it, you could try soloing over things to enhance your sense of melody and what to play.
 
Work on the basics.
Scales
Arpeggios
Chord tones, walking lines
Rhythms

There are lots of books out there and teachers that can help you. If you have teachers in your area then I highly recommend you do a few lessons at least.

And play with others, always play with others.

And listen listen listen to as much varied kinds of music as possible.

This is sound advice. There's no magic formula for getting better. A lot of it is just putting in the boring study time.

Other than just practicing, my thought about the best way to get better would be;

1. Practice with a metronome. Even seasoned and experienced players use them, all the best players I know use them frequently when playing alone.

2. If you haven't done so already, learn basic music theory. If you know what notes make up chord tones, you can add some nice accents to those roots. A good place to start is learning the relative minors of those major scales. Practice and learn your scales, and if you are pretty proficient with basic scales move on to modes. Don't tackle modes unless you have a good understanding of the standard scales first because it can be a little tough to wrap your head around it (it was for me, and still is, as I don't know some of them without having to look at a sheet of paper).

Make sure your basics and foundation are solid. Everyone would love to be a Jaco, Geddy, or Victor, but for many of us (like me) that's not realistic. However, playing an instrument is much like building a house. If the foundation is not solid and correct, what comes after will never be right.

If you are self-taught, I would strongly recommend taking a few lessons on technique. When I decided to take bass lessons (from a competent instructor) after playing for a little while, I found out that some (okay, A LOT) of my technique was flawed and was partly responsible for my inability to progress faster. I had to learn some things from scratch, but it was time well spent as a few alterations to my technique made huge differences in my playing.

Try playing songs you wouldn't normally play. Don't pick real hard ones, but pick ones that have simple chord progressions but emphasize tone, nuance, and style. One that comes to mind is Lee Greenwood's "God Bless The USA". In the last band I played in I could pound out Travis Tritt's TROUBLE like nobody's business, but struggled with God Bless The USA. I always found slower, simpler songs more difficult to play but learning them and playing them made me a more tasteful player. People think it's cool, but in reality pounding root 1/8ths all the time actually covers a whole lot of sins, especially if you struggle with rhythms. Trust me, I know this first hand.

But it's all about getting that good foundation. You won't fly to the moon if all you have is a bicycle.

Good luck, and never give up. :bassist:
 
I understand theory fairly well. I haven't quite memorized all of the modes, but I know the major and natural minor scales, and the major and minor pentatonic scales. I know what notes make up chords. Which is part of the reason that practicing that stuff is boring for me.
 
I try to although it gets boring really quickly.

I really wish I could do this. Unfortunately I just don't have the time. :hmm:

Maybe when I'm done with college.

I do think lessons could help. There is the time issue still though. And the lessons would have to be pretty cheap.

Maybe another part time hobby? :D