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Strange intonation/string issue

Feb 11, 2023
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I bought a Gibson '64 EB bass a couple months ago. Amazing bass, perfect sound. I love the strings that it came with but they look really old, no one knows what they may be (flatwounds, red silk at the end, no silk at tuners. 0.43, 0.50, 0.80, 0.95) they may be the original strings since the bass is in mint condition.
I decided to buy a new set of strings (La Bella 760) and the intonation is far off (-30 cents). I am at the point where I have no room to move the bridge to correct it. I installed an old set of rotosound 77ld I had laying around and still the intonation is still far off. I reinstalled the original strings and the intonation is perfect. How is that possible??
I don't know what to do, I can't keep the old strings forever, I absolutely do not want to buy a different bridge and I am trying to avoid drilling new holes to relocate the bridge if there are strings that can intonate properly.
Any advice?
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Well...
About the only thing I can think of, is find some flats in the same gauges as the strings you have - or, at least as close as you can get. That might work - or it might not. I have several basses with... simple... bridges like that. I was working on one of them this morning, in fact. A violin bass, with a bridge that's a floating wooden base, supporting a knife-edged piece of wood with 4 notches cut in it. Finding strings that tune up is easy. Finding ones that will intonate? A whole 'nother ball game... La Bella medium scale 760FL's (43-104) work the best, of all the strings I've tried on the thing. And I've tried a lot of strings... The E and G strings will intonate with a minimum of skootching the bridge around, but... the A and D strings? Not so much. But, given the bridge I have to work with? I just have to live with it - and like it. Which brings me to another point...
I've been playing bass since the late 1960s. A lot of the time, I played basses with bridges that weren't much better than that violin bass - or the bridge you have there. And, the thing is... back then? Most of us didn't pay much attention to intonation. For one thing, there wasn't much we could do about it with bridges like that; and for another? Most of the music we played really didn't require it, anyway. I honestly can't remember ever playing anything that required me to get anywhere near the 12th fret then - and I don't play anything that does, even now. Jefferson Airplane's White Rabbit, for instance, only gets to the 8th fret once - for 4 beats; you can play the whole song with only the E, A, & D strings. None of the bass players I knew back then, ever worried about intonation; most of the music that we played didn't need the bass to be intonated. If your bass was in tune? You might check the intonation - for form's sake. If your bass actually was intonated? Great. If not? Well, doesn't really matter, anyway...
But, today's music does require an intonated bass. Which means; a bass with a bridge that can be intonated. Which means that, unless you get lucky and have an old style bass that will intonate, you'll have to modify that old bass - or play something else. I have 4 basses with "primitive" bridges, and only one will intonate properly with the strings it's wearing now. Took a lot of trying to achieve that, and I don't intend to try other kinds of strings on it - ever. 2 of the others are... pretty close to intonated - which suits me fine; the other one? It's "sort of" intonated, and for what I play on it? Good enough... I also have 3 basses with "Nashville Tune-O-Matic" bridges. A little more intonatable - but not much. One is properly intonated - after several string changes, and the other 2 are... pretty close. The properly intonated one only managed it with round wounds, which I'd rather it didn't have to wear. But, they solved a couple other problems, too, so... I live with them.
So... bottom line? Try strings with the same gauges as the ones that it wears now. Hell, try rounds, even... If that doesn't work? Either stop worrying about proper intonation, and pretend it's 1968; or, grit your teeth and install a replacement bridge that you can intonate. They're available for those basses; you aren't the first person to have this problem. But, if you go that route? For God's sake; do not throw that original bridge away! Those things are rare, now - and collector's will just about kill for one...;)
 
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If you can find new strings of the same gauges, you should be ok.
I just measured the Rotosound strings and they are very similar in gauge (0.43, 0.56, 0.70, 0.100 vs the old strings that are 0.43, 0.50, 0.80, 0.95) and I am getting vastly different intonation (about 30 cents!).
Maybe it has to do with the core material of the strings? They are all flatwound
 
Yes, I did work on the nut and it's perfect.
What do you mean about the saddle?
I mean the intonation is a subject of the “speaking length of the string, the distance between where it breaks over the bridge and nut. The gauge or tension doesn’t specifically change that length. The frets are fixed. The nut is fixed. So the only thing I’m left with is the bridge. By any chance are the newer strings more stiff feeling than the originals?
 
I mean the intonation is a subject of the “speaking length of the string, the distance between where it breaks over the bridge and nut. The gauge or tension doesn’t specifically change that length. The frets are fixed. The nut is fixed. So the only thing I’m left with is the bridge. By any chance are the newer strings more stiff feeling than the originals?
Thanks for the info. They feel very similar in tension and no truss rod adjustment has been necessary when switching between them. No significant differences between them in nut or bridge. They sit pretty much the same.
I am absolutely perplexed by this whole situation. How can two sets of strings so similar in every way have such different intonation....
 
I have two theories
1. The original strings have less tension than the ones I am trying and I should just find some new strings that are lower tension? Although they still work, the original strings are pretty degraded
2. The new strings that I have are actually for a long scale bass and not short scale, would that make a difference?
 
If your intonation is off by -30 cents, your bridge is too far back. Looking at your pic it looks like the bridge is in fact adjusted too far back. Compare it to this:

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Look at the inside edge of the bridge plate in relation to the post. I think you need to loosen the screws on the plate behind the posts allowing the bridge to move forward. That will help correct the -30 cents error.
 
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Yes, the picture I posted in the old post is actually an old photo. I already moved the screws and actually modified the bridge a little bit to get even more adjustment.
Again, I’m still about -23cents off
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Perfect candidate for a Hipshot two point bridge. As long as you keep the
Original bridge stored away, your bass remains original.

I would “play in” new flats for a while first and see what happens once they stretch out a bit before checking intonation again.
 

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