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The "correct" slap technique is abnormal for me

My point was there is more than one way to approach slapping, also flea uses a position that points his thumb towards the G string (or at least used to when i saw RHCP) not the E and if you want to double thumb its easier at least for anyone I've ever seen do it and myself to have the thumb up towards the E.

I never made any mention of a correct way to do it so ill presume that part wasn't aimed at me :thumbsup:

Certainly not, I was just pointing out something that has been re-iterated in this thread a few times: there is no "correct" slap technique.
 
Great thread and deep questions.
In my personal opinion, it doesn't exist a perfect way to develop a certain technique or all of them. The point is that you need to follow some main rules, the main pattern, just to have a direction, but you definitely need to create your own approach and develop your tone.
Most of the time when my students made the same questions you did I just say, close your eyes and focus on your ears: do you have a good tone for that technique? can you play right on the click? are you feel comfortable? if all the answers are yes then you don't need to worry about how your fingers are executing the technique style.
Find your own voice and style is one of the most important keys.
I attached a video where you can see a hybrid way to merge several slap techniques, I hope this helps you to feel better with your doubt and if you need help just let me know.
Ciao!
 
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Some technique works better for some than others. Larry Graham thumb up, Flea thumb down. Both do what works best for them. That's why it's important to learn and try all the variations of each style to find the one that works best for you. Nothing in music style/technique is designed one specific way for everyone to use. That's why the're many ways to do a specific style/technique.
 
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Im pretty sure flea slaps with his thumb down and it works for him. I don't think it'll matter which way you do it unless you want to double thumb as well.

This says it all! For double thumbing you will find that thumb down doesn't work too well. You need parallel thumb for this. But you don't really have to double thumb. It's nice but you can get the same lines in other ways too.

For the rest; just try everything and see what comes natural. Most of the times that is what works best for you in the long run. But try to practice the other way too at first for some time. Don't give it up right away.
 
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I have recently started double thumbing but in the completely different direction. Basically my thumb is parallel to my other fingers, just from another side. I can comfortably double thumb like this and it feels and sounds great and I can play many things I could not before with this technique, as it allows me to play a pedal on E and A strings and do whatever on D and G.
 
Brian Bromberg has a very nice new album, "Thicker Than Water".
You can hear lots of Slap on all compositions.
I'm amazed that Brian Bromberg could play it with his thumb down.
I don't know how he does it.




Brian's comments about following your own body and feeling natural for slapping resonate for me as well.

So my Thumb is more down to parallel and its comfortable, I don't rest or anchor my Thumb either so muting (as necessary) is a natural action as well. I also don't need to wear my bass super high, which is also more comfortable for me.

I switched to playing with my Thumb and first 3 fingers years ago. I use my Thumb like pick and I find that it's way easier to sing while playing bass with this right hand percussive method. It also allows me to easily flip between finger style, slap and double thumbing as the music requires.

It takes a ton of practice at first until you find the right movement for your own forearm and hand, but once you do and can make the sounds you're looking for, you can start to build speed with a ton of practice to build up that muscle memory. Once you do, it will not only feel natural, but you'll be able to easily use it or turn it on/off as needed.
 
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I'm going to be the lone voice of dissent (kind of). Yes, there IS a proper technique. It's what works for most people. That's like saying there are no rules for grammar. It doesn't mean everyone uses them, but they are there. Having said that, there are people that standard techniques don't work for. If you've tried what everyone else uses and it doesn't work, then you are probably one of those few and you need to find something that works for you.

Too many people start off trying to reinvent the wheel. There is a reason most people slap in generally the same way - it works. Learn that, if you can, and improve on it.
 
Great thread and deep questions.
In my personal opinion, it doesn't exist a perfect way to develop a certain technique or all of them. The point is that you need to follow some main rules, the main pattern, just to have a direction, but you definitely need to create your own approach and develop your tone.
Most of the time when my students made the same questions you did I just say, close your eyes and focus on your ears: do you have a good tone for that technique? can you play right on the click? are you feel comfortable? if all the answers are yes then you don't need to worry about how your fingers are executing the technique style.
Find your own voice and style is one of the most important keys.
I attached a video where you can see a hybrid way to merge several slap techniques, I hope this helps you to feel better with your doubt and if you need help just let me know.
Ciao!

Killer playing :)
 
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@ifmn16 Grammar is a terrible example here. You don't use grammar just by yourself, you use it to communicate with other people. The reason there's such a thing as proper grammar, is that we can all agree on it and communicate more effectively. What is proper can slightly vary by communities. It's true that some languages and structures are going to be more fitting to how some particular people's brains work, but if we're to use English among other people, type not like this do even if it makes more sense to you.

However, playing is something quite personal, and you're communicating with an inanimate object (well, you're kind of animating it, so to speak).

Saying that "how most people do it" is proper would be like saying that "liking chocolate is proper" in a society where majority of people like chocolate. I can assure you that a lot of people play way out of their comfort zone, because they have been taught to do it by teachers. It's very harmful. Hell, my teacher tried to force a left hand technique on me, that made it remarkably harder for me to move the hand around the fretboard. Whenever I used my flat hand technique, I could play more relaxed, faster, more consistently, etc. But he didn't like it and told me that technique had some issues (which didn't turn out to be issues with any material I played since I seamlessly curved fingers as needed, but kept them flat on the fingerboard by default).

But he didn't care, it wasn't "proper". I could play both techniques, but one was clearly superior to the other in my case. This flat hand technique that I'm using translated very well to a six string bass, since it lets me mute strings more easily, and reach B and E very easily, whereas if I kept doing what my teacher told me, my transition to a 6 string would be way more painful.

What "works for most people" is kind of irrelevant if "most" means more like "about 20%" and the other 80% prefer a myriad of different techniques, but no technique is preferred by more than 20% of the people, so there's still the most common one that's going to be forced down everyone's throat because it's "proper".

I come from classical piano and there certainly are ways that are more proper for the genre, but it has to do with execution and the end result, where using a more stiff playing hand might be a serious detriment. In jazz piano "throw your hands at the keyboard and see how it feels but also make it groovy without injuring yourself" is usually the norm. It's funny how the classical technique is way more focused on making a very niche, specific sound, while the jazz technique can be literally anything as long as you can express yourself and your teacher is flexible.

So instead of saying how most people do it is proper, it's more realistic to say that what works with (and not against) you is proper. Look at Marty Friedman, for example. He's a guitarist who holds a pick in such a way that I get honorary tendinitis when I watch him play. Yet it works absolutely fine with his hand in particular.

I went kind of over the top in this post, but this topic is very personal to me, because I was forced to do "the proper thing" for years and I was very unhappy with how I felt playing the instrument, and I finally reached freedom when I went from classical to jazz on piano, and started playing the bass. I picked up violin by myself, with only a few visits to a cello instructor, just to get the hang of some basics of how to actually bow the instrument. My violin technique looks very "improper" but it is very comfortable to me. I play violin like a cello and it looks ridiculous but it feels great. I just can't hold it on my shoulder comfortably due to injuries.

Only you know how you feel playing your instrument, so do listen to advice on technique, but also do it your way, just avoid injury and take precautions.
 
@ifmn16 Grammar is a terrible example here. You don't use grammar just by yourself, you use it to communicate with other people. The reason there's such a thing as proper grammar, is that we can all agree on it and communicate more effectively. What is proper can slightly vary by communities. It's true that some languages and structures are going to be more fitting to how some particular people's brains work, but if we're to use English among other people, type not like this do even if it makes more sense to you.

However, playing is something quite personal, and you're communicating with an inanimate object (well, you're kind of animating it, so to speak).

Saying that "how most people do it" is proper would be like saying that "liking chocolate is proper" in a society where majority of people like chocolate. I can assure you that a lot of people play way out of their comfort zone, because they have been taught to do it by teachers. It's very harmful. Hell, my teacher tried to force a left hand technique on me, that made it remarkably harder for me to move the hand around the fretboard. Whenever I used my flat hand technique, I could play more relaxed, faster, more consistently, etc. But he didn't like it and told me that technique had some issues (which didn't turn out to be issues with any material I played since I seamlessly curved fingers as needed, but kept them flat on the fingerboard by default).

But he didn't care, it wasn't "proper". I could play both techniques, but one was clearly superior to the other in my case. This flat hand technique that I'm using translated very well to a six string bass, since it lets me mute strings more easily, and reach B and E very easily, whereas if I kept doing what my teacher told me, my transition to a 6 string would be way more painful.

What "works for most people" is kind of irrelevant if "most" means more like "about 20%" and the other 80% prefer a myriad of different techniques, but no technique is preferred by more than 20% of the people, so there's still the most common one that's going to be forced down everyone's throat because it's "proper".

I come from classical piano and there certainly are ways that are more proper for the genre, but it has to do with execution and the end result, where using a more stiff playing hand might be a serious detriment. In jazz piano "throw your hands at the keyboard and see how it feels but also make it groovy without injuring yourself" is usually the norm. It's funny how the classical technique is way more focused on making a very niche, specific sound, while the jazz technique can be literally anything as long as you can express yourself and your teacher is flexible.

So instead of saying how most people do it is proper, it's more realistic to say that what works with (and not against) you is proper. Look at Marty Friedman, for example. He's a guitarist who holds a pick in such a way that I get honorary tendinitis when I watch him play. Yet it works absolutely fine with his hand in particular.

I went kind of over the top in this post, but this topic is very personal to me, because I was forced to do "the proper thing" for years and I was very unhappy with how I felt playing the instrument, and I finally reached freedom when I went from classical to jazz on piano, and started playing the bass. I picked up violin by myself, with only a few visits to a cello instructor, just to get the hang of some basics of how to actually bow the instrument. My violin technique looks very "improper" but it is very comfortable to me. I play violin like a cello and it looks ridiculous but it feels great. I just can't hold it on my shoulder comfortably due to injuries.

Only you know how you feel playing your instrument, so do listen to advice on technique, but also do it your way, just avoid injury and take precautions.
Amen :thumbsup::)
 
@ifmn16 Grammar is a terrible example here. You don't use grammar just by yourself, you use it to communicate with other people. The reason there's such a thing as proper grammar, is that we can all agree on it and communicate more effectively. What is proper can slightly vary by communities. It's true that some languages and structures are going to be more fitting to how some particular people's brains work, but if we're to use English among other people, type not like this do even if it makes more sense to you.

However, playing is something quite personal, and you're communicating with an inanimate object (well, you're kind of animating it, so to speak).

Saying that "how most people do it" is proper would be like saying that "liking chocolate is proper" in a society where majority of people like chocolate. I can assure you that a lot of people play way out of their comfort zone, because they have been taught to do it by teachers. It's very harmful. Hell, my teacher tried to force a left hand technique on me, that made it remarkably harder for me to move the hand around the fretboard. Whenever I used my flat hand technique, I could play more relaxed, faster, more consistently, etc. But he didn't like it and told me that technique had some issues (which didn't turn out to be issues with any material I played since I seamlessly curved fingers as needed, but kept them flat on the fingerboard by default).

But he didn't care, it wasn't "proper". I could play both techniques, but one was clearly superior to the other in my case. This flat hand technique that I'm using translated very well to a six string bass, since it lets me mute strings more easily, and reach B and E very easily, whereas if I kept doing what my teacher told me, my transition to a 6 string would be way more painful.

What "works for most people" is kind of irrelevant if "most" means more like "about 20%" and the other 80% prefer a myriad of different techniques, but no technique is preferred by more than 20% of the people, so there's still the most common one that's going to be forced down everyone's throat because it's "proper".

I come from classical piano and there certainly are ways that are more proper for the genre, but it has to do with execution and the end result, where using a more stiff playing hand might be a serious detriment. In jazz piano "throw your hands at the keyboard and see how it feels but also make it groovy without injuring yourself" is usually the norm. It's funny how the classical technique is way more focused on making a very niche, specific sound, while the jazz technique can be literally anything as long as you can express yourself and your teacher is flexible.

So instead of saying how most people do it is proper, it's more realistic to say that what works with (and not against) you is proper. Look at Marty Friedman, for example. He's a guitarist who holds a pick in such a way that I get honorary tendinitis when I watch him play. Yet it works absolutely fine with his hand in particular.

I went kind of over the top in this post, but this topic is very personal to me, because I was forced to do "the proper thing" for years and I was very unhappy with how I felt playing the instrument, and I finally reached freedom when I went from classical to jazz on piano, and started playing the bass. I picked up violin by myself, with only a few visits to a cello instructor, just to get the hang of some basics of how to actually bow the instrument. My violin technique looks very "improper" but it is very comfortable to me. I play violin like a cello and it looks ridiculous but it feels great. I just can't hold it on my shoulder comfortably due to injuries.

Only you know how you feel playing your instrument, so do listen to advice on technique, but also do it your way, just avoid injury and take precautions.

I understand what you are saying but as a teacher you shouldn't start learning the 'exceptions'. You teach what works best for the majority of the people. That's how you should start learning. If that doesn't work after having spend lots of time and practice you can adjust. But not the other way around.

Some teaching methods and techniques have proven to better for learning like you mention with classical piano. If you want to be a top classical piano player you have to follow that proper technique. It has proven to be right for over a few centuries. You cannot play classical piano with a 'jazz technique'.

Also it doesn't make sense to mention exceptions that use an unconventional technique like Marty Friedman or whoever. It works for him but you don't teach people to play this way. So it has no pedagogical value to mention the exceptions.
 
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Maybe I'm not following the guidance above (or argument)...

So holding my hand at the same comfortable angle as if I were using a pick but using my Thumb to pick and double Thumb (quite efficiently) and also to slap and then popping with my index, middle and ring fingers (as needed for triplets, quads, etc.) is considered unorthodox or not acceptable?

I see other players, like Evan Brewer, using this same approach and seems to be used very effectively.

From my perspective, it has worked well for me for years and I have no intent on changing my method at this point, (and not trying to be argumentative). But I'm very curious on this topic as it seems there is a strong opinion to the contrary.
 
So holding my hand at the same comfortable angle as if I were using a pick but using my Thumb to pick and double Thumb (quite efficiently) and also to slap and then popping with my index, middle and ring fingers (as needed for triplets, quads, etc.) is considered unorthodox or not acceptable?

This is literally the same type of technique I use for my right hand. I also use the slap technique with thumb facing down to SLAP MORE THAN ONE STRING, but other than that, it is all double thumbing, and using other fingers for D and G. When I have some pedaling on the E and A strings, I almost exclusively do it with the thumb, while playing the lines with my other fingers. This technique was called improper.
 
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This is literally the same type of technique I use for my right hand. I also use the slap technique with thumb facing down to SLAP MORE THAN ONE STRING, but other than that, it is all double thumbing, and using other fingers for D and G. When I have some pedaling on the E and A strings, I almost exclusively do it with the thumb, while playing the lines with my other fingers. This technique was called improper.
Schweeeeewww... well at least there are a few of us using this method :thumbsup:;):) we can't be that wrong LOL