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Tips for fresh jamming, tips/tactics for BL

Shimmi

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With every 3 steps forward I feel we take a turn sideways.

I realize we need to stop spending times working on covers and start with original material but I feel like this is going to take forever, I know you can't just "get" jamming with someone down in a month but I really wish there was a way to get inside someones head and figure out what will make things work for them.

What I miss most about my old band is we could play 1-2 hours just playing, no songs, no covers, just everyone playing their instrument(It took us 8 months to get to that point) and almost everything sounds just awesome.

With my new band it seems we're still not their yet, I'm trying to practice more things his style he plays more bluegrass than my previous guitarist so that's a bit different but he is familiar with most playing styles because he listens to every genre of music and discovers more music everyday.

Does anyone have any tricks to learning someones jab? I just want to speed up the "getting to know you" process as much as possible so we can sound like more compatible players.

A big strike for me I feel is we still haven't found a singer and singing helps me feel the mood of new songs and really makes it easier to do the switch ups.

Another issue is our drummer is involved in multiple project and wants to add in his piece from hom after we got our dual bass/guitar down so he doesn't have to spend money on travel until we have an actual setlist to play. I respect that because no one wants to drive an hour only to "try" and have a circle jerk session with no product at the end. He wants songs to be put together professionally, and recorded so we all have something to practice with on our free time so we can cut face down to minimum, something I am in complete agreement with. Luckily our drummer has all the pro tools to make those sample recordings happen.

Right now I have 4-5 originals plus 6 covers we are practicing, the originals are no where near started and our covers still need timing work. I have another guitarist I want to get on board but I didn't want to start practicing with him until the core trio can play together.

Does anyone have and tips or tricks they use to help themselves "get in" the music?

Some things we tried was using an audio metronome, playing covers to the CD player, and sticking to overly simple bass riffs just to get something sounding clean.

I also tried other things like going out for coffee and discussing what we want to achieve that day(this helped a lot, as we got 3 covers down in one day as opposed to switching 8-9 songs half assedly)

I'm also looking into having a band schedule "agenda" meaning every week we have a day to work on covers, then another week to work on originals etc etc

I'll admit the guitarist isn't experience in playing with people, more particular bass players and he's never been in a band before. But I know he's willing to put in the work, he trusts my decisions and is willing to "go with the flow" of my way of doing things which I'm happy he has the patience for because I am new to being bandleader... huh I should have called this "Band leading Tips"
 
man you can't force them to be good. Not everybody can be in a band, it takes many different skills that not everybody posesses.
Sounds like you are ready but they are not.
Like you said,with the other band you could just jam. This one ain't happening, move on if you think it's not worth a lot of effort. Music HAS to be fun for YOU.

I don't want to give up yet. My last band started the same way at first before we "got into it" (during the first 1-2 month) and learned to work with each others playing styles. The biggest difference is this player is more humble, admits he has weaknesses, and is willing to put in the hard work and we have the same goal in mind.

It's just difficult for me as I've never been BL in a band and now I feel like its up to me to assure no practice time is wasted and we are progressing constantly. It was easy as a bass player to say "hey guys maybe we should put down the metaphorical bong and get back to work" because no one took you seriously, but being BL I feel I really gotta say, look leave the metaphorical bong at home, today we are accomplishing something.

The music is also fun, we both like improving lyrics and extending songs and right now it seems we play mostly Americana, but with more distortion.
 
ahah well it sounds like you just have to give it time to develop.

Patience grasshopper hehe

Yes do put your foot down, rehearsal time is rehearsal time, not bong time. In my first band,the drummer and I would toke on for at least an hour before we joined the guitards. I feel very bad about it now, I still apologise as I'm now in a trio with one of them lol 30 years later!
 
Is going to drummer's location an option? You should create drum samples to play to when your jamming with the guitarist. There is free software out there.. Get more out of it than a metronome (possibly).
Eye contact with the guitarist when you play (on some level) is helpful, there is communication going on.. Or discussion of theory of the song, so you know where each other should be relative to the song. Record practices.
If you have anything concrete down, I wouldn't be afraid to invite the second guitarist over either. They could be the spark your looking for.. but we all know its probably the drummer.
 
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all the people i ended up playing with - and many i didn't - sort of fit together from the start. it's true that i used to go to a lot of open jams, but the bands that i've enjoyed playing with the most were made of people who got together musically naturally rather than trying to force it. if you don't blend together in a month, it may be just be differences in styles, musical preferences or personalities. but that's just my experience.

btw, i wouldn't bother to be part of a band that was just starting out where practice wasn't fun. i play because i love to play - take the fun out of it, and why bother? there are plenty of bands out there. forcing every second to count is a great way to take all the joy out of things very early on. personally i wouldn't go to practices like that unless we were already an existing band or project with a month or less to get ready for a show that needed new songs or changes to learn together.
 
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It's a tough situation. A guitarist buddy of mine and I have played Sunday nights for six years, getting down a pretty amazing set of songs. Practice is fun, we laugh a lot, drink beer and grab dinner of sorts. In that time we've also created four bands that sounded good but died from adult working/family schedules. We've finally decided to hit the local winery circuit as a base/guitar duo. We just couldn't make a band happen
 
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I bring in complete bass lines to my band. I write songs with chorus/verse/bridge type structures and then let everyone do their thing. It has taken about a year for us to get to the point where we can have a song roughly dialed in after one session. We all work together to arrange things. All of the members are incredible players and everyone has contributed equally to the catalog and to each individual song.
 
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So we jammed last night and I think I cracked his style. We got a few really cool sounding jams in, even when we switched things up it sounded alright. We recorded some of it but when we played the best was when we forgot to turn the recorder on.

I think the biggest issue is formatting a song from just a bunch of awesome riffs. We played several variations of the songs, or rather riffs. There was a chorus, bridge, verse, solo in it all, it was just lyric-less and in no specific order.

I think we're going to try and drive out to the drummers place and try some things, practice is fun, we tell jokes and have a few beers, but I want to move forward like professionals rather than just buddies jamming on weekends. Which means more focus, less bs time.

I guess its progress, now that I have off for the semester we're going to try and jam in the mornings which proves more helpful than jamming after bar close

all the people i ended up playing with - and many i didn't - sort of fit together from the start. it's true that i used to go to a lot of open jams, but the bands that i've enjoyed playing with the most were made of people who got together musically naturally rather than trying to force it. if you don't blend together in a month, it may be just be differences in styles, musical preferences or personalities. but that's just my experience.

btw, i wouldn't bother to be part of a band that was just starting out where practice wasn't fun. i play because i love to play - take the fun out of it, and why bother? there are plenty of bands out there. forcing every second to count is a great way to take all the joy out of things very early on. personally i wouldn't go to practices like that unless we were already an existing band or project with a month or less to get ready for a show that needed new songs or changes to learn together.


It's not that its not fun, its just seeing a lack of results, at least at the speed I want to be making. We want to be in Gig shape by October, right now I don't see it but we talked and agreed it's not a hard goal to make if we learn to practice more.

Our covers we play(were the fun really is) we do pretty darn good, so we are good at something, just the originals ae the biggest cookie to get past.

I think I might want to get a rhythm guitarist on board and take your advice. Right now he's switching between lead and rhythm which seems to be throwing him off.


Is going to drummer's location an option? You should create drum samples to play to when your jamming with the guitarist. There is free software out there.. Get more out of it than a metronome (possibly).
Eye contact with the guitarist when you play (on some level) is helpful, there is communication going on.. Or discussion of theory of the song, so you know where each other should be relative to the song. Record practices.
If you have anything concrete down, I wouldn't be afraid to invite the second guitarist over either. They could be the spark your looking for.. but we all know its probably the drummer.
I've been trying harder to keep eye contact and make head motions when it comes to switching to a chorus or breakdown.
 
ahah well it sounds like you just have to give it time to develop.

Patience grasshopper hehe

Yes do put your foot down, rehearsal time is rehearsal time, not bong time. In my first band,the drummer and I would toke on for at least an hour before we joined the guitards. I feel very bad about it now, I still apologise as I'm now in a trio with one of them lol 30 years later!

When my sister and I would play music...we were really... really bad with this... sucks because we really played a lot of awesome music we just stopped one day after finding the wrong drummer. (He was about 9000 points above our skill level and was into heavy metal whereas we played black keys/cage the elephant/green day type things...) That guy took a few tokes and was an unstoppable machine for the next 4-5 hours... I guess this is the only video I can show to explain it... Only they pulled it off much better than we could, toking is fun but when you need to buckle down and get organized you gotta leave it at home.




Funny now I get offended if people invite me for practice or audition and they just assume because I'm a bass player in a rock band I want to just get high and "go with it"(but dimebag dude!) although if it turns out it's not happening after the audition I'll be happy to smoke there stash and leave lol
 
**UPDATE*** So after listening to some recordings and thinking about what would be best for both of us rather than what I want to accomplish I realize we need to form a new band. I've been trying to get us to play a style that isn't natural for the guitarist, and the more grounded I've tried playing I realize if I just go with it and start something fresh we'll make much more progress than trying to relabel my old band. It's gone, I'm going to have to accept it and move on. Eventually I'll try to bring the band back but not now and not with this particular set of players, at least not all of them.

In the mean time, we have a wicked set up and I think this music will be very popular in my area, perhaps even more popular than my previous band. I'm ready for change, TIME TO ROCK!
 

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