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Tone From In-Ears Same As What Audience Is Hearing?

#21
Thanks for the info on the earbuds. I'll recommend my church spend money on some good ones for me and the drummer and hopefully they'll oblige.

Still not thrilled about being tethered to an Aviom console, but not really my choice.
 
#22
jaywa said:
Thanks for the info on the earbuds. I'll recommend my church spend money on some good ones for me and the drummer and hopefully they'll oblige.

Still not thrilled about being tethered to an Aviom console, but not really my choice.
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Yeah at my church we have IEMs but we don't have enough inputs for everyone. We're going to get a whole new in-ear system but it's gonna cost about $7000
 
#23
Same as FOH? I doubt it. However, I don't get all the negativity toward the IEM tone. I've been perfectly happy with what I hear.

We use a Hearback system (HB). The HB mixer has two parallel headphone jacks. One weekend I used one with my IEM, plugged the other to a MiniDisc recorder.
Here's what I recorded: My IEM mix
I originally clipped this out to illustrate that you CAN hear the conversation around you.
 
#24
tobie said:
In short: any change (vol & eq) on your bass will reflect on both your amp & PA. Any change on your amp is 'local' to yourself and does not reflect on the PA. Just check any on-stage changes on your bass with the soundguy, as it might interfere with whatever he's trying to achieve in the house (volume & eq).
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Very sound advice.

What you hear also has to do with the particular IEM system. Many IEM systems with personal mixers (where you mix your own monitor mix) send you a pre-fader signal, so you don't hear any EQ changes that the engineer makes, only gain/trim/head-amp changes. IMO, as a player and a sound reinforcement engineer, IES are best with personal mixers. It is better for the player, and easier for the monitor engineer.

What was said about making all the changes on your instrument (except for perhaps very slight EQ changes) during the sound check and leaving it be during the show was probably good advice too.
 
#25
This is quite fascinating, how do amps mess with FOH?

I was always led to believe a FOH system is there to reinforce sound from amps, not compete.



MNAirHead said:
Seriously..

After you get used to it, the SVT will be gone.. MUCH simpler to use.

Opinions
  1. If you have any say --- have the room RTAd by a pro (not someone on staff) and then implement their suggestion.. lock down the EQ
  2. Start practicing through headphones...today.. zero amps..
  3. Mix sound for your church for a week.. it will become quickly evident that amps screw with FOH sound
You will have to learn to like it if you're going to play in the 500+ chruch world.
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#27
liyuci said:
This is quite fascinating, how do amps mess with FOH?

I was always led to believe a FOH system is there to reinforce sound from amps, not compete.
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Ideally, this is true, but I have run into situations where, for example, a guitarist is putting out so much volume from his amp that if I turn up everything else to even out the mix, the overall volume would be unacceptably high for that particular room, genre, event type, or audience.

In the case of churches, the system could be a limiting factor as well (you don't have enough power to match the rest of the band with the one who is too loud), since they are non-profit organizations and typically don't have large budgets for technical operations.
 
#28
You have to work with the monitor mixer and the FOH mixer to be sure your sound is getting to the audience. Your stage volume may be having an effect on the FOH sound depending on the size of the room and the volume you are running, you may not even realize how much your stage volume carries and affects the house sound. FWIW the bands where we are iem, I do not use an amp it's all direct as is everyone else except for the drums and vox.
 

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