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Traynor Small Block Combos - Initial Impressions

Just bought the Traynor SB110. Great little amp!

I went to the store and compared the Traynor SB110, the SB112, GK MB112, and Fender Rumble 100 V3. I had my faithfull American Std P bass with flats with me. I tryed all amps with almost no EQ and no contour/low expander. My goal is to set my amp to sound like studio monitors as much as possible, which is what I prefer. All tests were done at low to medium level (so for those looking for an high level review, this is not for you, sorry). I'll have the chance to test the Traynor SB110 later next week at gig level. I'll see how it performs, but I'm confident.

Tone wise, both Traynor amps had a nicer bottom than the GK and the Fender, but sounded a bit more 'pillowy', but not muddy. As I already have a bigger rig and was looking for a very small combo amp, I went for the 110 over the 112 almost from the start. The 110 was sounding very very good for its size and weight, so my following review is for the 110.

I did own the Fender Rumble 100 a few months ago, and I had no problem to gig with it, level wise. The Rumble 100 has a nice character with my P bass, a nice mix of growl and tube-like tones, with a nice bright high-mid range presence. It's a nice electric bass amp for the price, no doubt about it. No tweeter means no hi-fi possibilities though. I know a tweeter is not needed/wanted by many bass players, but I personally do like to have the 5-6KHz + range available if/when I need it (with my double bass, per example). I sold that amp cause I was missing a tweeter, and more importantly, because the sound coming out of the XLR DI out was coloured in a way I didn't like at all (too much low end and a 'clicky' bright high range that I could not get rid off, even when fiddling with the EQ). I play about 80% of the time with in-ears, with my signal coming from my amp via the XLR out, so a good DI output is crucial to me.

The GK MB112 sounded mid, with less bottom than the Traynor and also less extreme top end, due to the lack of tweeter. Not really a studio/PA like tone. And not that musical to me. Sounded even more boxy to me. The construction quality is inferior to the Traynor. ¼ jack connector and knobs/buttons don't feel as solid. It didn't feel as sturdy as the old MB150, per example.

The EQ on the Traynor is more powerfull, compared to the GK and Fender. My guess is that the low mid is at 400Hz and the high mid at 800Hz. I would have prefered a high mid at around 1500Hz, but that's just me... The high mid range (1000-4000hz) is a bit undercovered by the Traynor, both with the lack of EQ in that range, and from the woofer/tweeter. Some might like it, some might not. The XLR out on the Traynor nails it! Super clean, a LOT of level (maybe a bit too much level, might need a pad on the console). With the EQ flat, the tone is just like my bass through a good DI. The way I like it. I previously read a review of the Traynor SB115 stating that the XLR DI out was hissy. That is not true with the SB110! TONS of signal, and very clean. The 110 is wired POST gain/EQ, while the 115 is PRE, that might be the reason. I forgot to check the GK's DI out, so I can't compare that one.

To me, considering the size, weight, tone, and DI out quality, the winner was the Traynor SB110. Can't wait to test it on a live gig!

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I picked up the SB112 and was equally surprised at how much it will put out for a small combo. I have jammed with it with a medium loud classic rock band and it performed well. I wanted something small, quick, light and that had an AUX in and headphone out and it fit the bill perfectly and sounds really good.

If I had any complaints about it, it would be that I think the control knobs should be further recessed for protection during transportation and that I would have finished the cab in something different than the "rat fur". Being a cat owner, it's a desirable scratching post and fur collector!
 
I agree on the rat fur; I much prefer usual vinyl finish. I also agree on the knobs, but I would also add that I would have preferred pots that are a little more firm. Those are very easy to turn. A center detent would have been appreciated on the EQs. All little details...
 
2 gigs done with my SB110.

First gig: Fender P Bass, small stage, 6 musicians (incl. drums). In-ear + wedge monitor support. '70s folk/pop stuff. XLR out to the FOH mixer. It was AWESOME! Everybody, including me, and even the soundman, couldn't believe how nice this little box sounded! I've had many little combos (and many VERY expensive ones), but overall, that is THE one for me!

Second gig: upright bass (Upton Bass Rev Solo pickup direct in the amp). Church gig, Christmas music. Very small drum/percussion kit, mostly acoustic stuff. In-ear + wedge monitor support. Once again, very nice result! I had to put a ground lift on the power cable as I was getting hum in the sound system (the PA was connected anywhere on multiple AC outlets in the chruch, let's say that it was not a very nice installation). The SB110 has no ground lift switch on the XLR out, so I took an 'AC ground lift plug' with me just in case, and I was happy I did...


PROS

- So small, so portable, so powerful (for the size)
- GREAT tone, really! (IMHO)
- CLEAN preamp/EQ. NO hiss, nice sound from the electronics (for the price)
- The rat fur finish that I didn't like at first didn't bother me that much... In fact, it's nice to know you won't damage the finish during the transport.


CONS

- this amp should have a ground lift switch for the DI out. I understand the market for this kind of little amp is rehearsal or very acoustic small gigs, but it sounds so good that it's a perfectly viable amp for any gig (for me at least). But if there's an XLR out, there should be a ground lift!

- the knobs are REALLY loose and too easy to turn. You have to be carefull, anything that just touch the knobs will turn them. They should definitely be more firm.

- the GAIN knob is a linear type pot (confirmed with the schematics). That means that most of the gain resolution is from 0 to 4 (on a 0/10 scale). I feel the amp is about at it's maximum volume at 4. I would have prefered a LOG pot, giving a better resolution, and max volume at maybe 7 or 8. I'm not sure yet, but I might replace that pot.

- as stated in my initial comment, the XLR out signal is VERY loud... It could definitely distort a pad-less pre-amp. I think Traynor should do -10db on that, and it would be perfect.


All in all, VERY happy with my purchase! Thanks Traynor! :)
 
Just bought the Traynor SB110. Great little amp!

I went to the store and compared the Traynor SB110, the SB112, GK MB112, and Fender Rumble 100 V3. I had my faithfull American Std P bass with flats with me. I tryed all amps with almost no EQ and no contour/low expander. My goal is to set my amp to sound like studio monitors as much as possible, which is what I prefer. All tests were done at low to medium level (so for those looking for an high level review, this is not for you, sorry). I'll have the chance to test the Traynor SB110 later next week at gig level. I'll see how it performs, but I'm confident.

Tone wise, both Traynor amps had a nicer bottom than the GK and the Fender, but sounded a bit more 'pillowy', but not muddy. As I already have a bigger rig and was looking for a very small combo amp, I went for the 110 over the 112 almost from the start. The 110 was sounding very very good for its size and weight, so my following review is for the 110.

I did own the Fender Rumble 100 a few months ago, and I had no problem to gig with it, level wise. The Rumble 100 has a nice character with my P bass, a nice mix of growl and tube-like tones, with a nice bright high-mid range presence. It's a nice electric bass amp for the price, no doubt about it. No tweeter means no hi-fi possibilities though. I know a tweeter is not needed/wanted by many bass players, but I personally do like to have the 5-6KHz + range available if/when I need it (with my double bass, per example). I sold that amp cause I was missing a tweeter, and more importantly, because the sound coming out of the XLR DI out was coloured in a way I didn't like at all (too much low end and a 'clicky' bright high range that I could not get rid off, even when fiddling with the EQ). I play about 80% of the time with in-ears, with my signal coming from my amp via the XLR out, so a good DI output is crucial to me.

The GK MB112 sounded mid, with less bottom than the Traynor and also less extreme top end, due to the lack of tweeter. Not really a studio/PA like tone. And not that musical to me. Sounded even more boxy to me. The construction quality is inferior to the Traynor. ¼ jack connector and knobs/buttons don't feel as solid. It didn't feel as sturdy as the old MB150, per example.

The EQ on the Traynor is more powerfull, compared to the GK and Fender. My guess is that the low mid is at 400Hz and the high mid at 800Hz. I would have prefered a high mid at around 1500Hz, but that's just me... The high mid range (1000-4000hz) is a bit undercovered by the Traynor, both with the lack of EQ in that range, and from the woofer/tweeter. Some might like it, some might not. The XLR out on the Traynor nails it! Super clean, a LOT of level (maybe a bit too much level, might need a pad on the console). With the EQ flat, the tone is just like my bass through a good DI. The way I like it. I previously read a review of the Traynor SB115 stating that the XLR DI out was hissy. That is not true with the SB110! TONS of signal, and very clean. The 110 is wired POST gain/EQ, while the 115 is PRE, that might be the reason. I forgot to check the GK's DI out, so I can't compare that one.

To me, considering the size, weight, tone, and DI out quality, the winner was the Traynor SB110. Can't wait to test it on a live gig!

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I too choose the SB110.. out of the T.C, Ampeg,Fender,Mark, GK amps the SB110 was clearly the winner on tone and price... It is a killer amp. Good choice.
 
Just bought the Traynor SB110. Great little amp!

I went to the store and compared the Traynor SB110, the SB112, GK MB112, and Fender Rumble 100 V3. I had my faithfull American Std P bass with flats with me. I tryed all amps with almost no EQ and no contour/low expander. My goal is to set my amp to sound like studio monitors as much as possible, which is what I prefer. All tests were done at low to medium level (so for those looking for an high level review, this is not for you, sorry). I'll have the chance to test the Traynor SB110 later next week at gig level. I'll see how it performs, but I'm confident.

Tone wise, both Traynor amps had a nicer bottom than the GK and the Fender, but sounded a bit more 'pillowy', but not muddy. As I already have a bigger rig and was looking for a very small combo amp, I went for the 110 over the 112 almost from the start. The 110 was sounding very very good for its size and weight, so my following review is for the 110.

I did own the Fender Rumble 100 a few months ago, and I had no problem to gig with it, level wise. The Rumble 100 has a nice character with my P bass, a nice mix of growl and tube-like tones, with a nice bright high-mid range presence. It's a nice electric bass amp for the price, no doubt about it. No tweeter means no hi-fi possibilities though. I know a tweeter is not needed/wanted by many bass players, but I personally do like to have the 5-6KHz + range available if/when I need it (with my double bass, per example). I sold that amp cause I was missing a tweeter, and more importantly, because the sound coming out of the XLR DI out was coloured in a way I didn't like at all (too much low end and a 'clicky' bright high range that I could not get rid off, even when fiddling with the EQ). I play about 80% of the time with in-ears, with my signal coming from my amp via the XLR out, so a good DI output is crucial to me.

The GK MB112 sounded mid, with less bottom than the Traynor and also less extreme top end, due to the lack of tweeter. Not really a studio/PA like tone. And not that musical to me. Sounded even more boxy to me. The construction quality is inferior to the Traynor. ¼ jack connector and knobs/buttons don't feel as solid. It didn't feel as sturdy as the old MB150, per example.

The EQ on the Traynor is more powerfull, compared to the GK and Fender. My guess is that the low mid is at 400Hz and the high mid at 800Hz. I would have prefered a high mid at around 1500Hz, but that's just me... The high mid range (1000-4000hz) is a bit undercovered by the Traynor, both with the lack of EQ in that range, and from the woofer/tweeter. Some might like it, some might not. The XLR out on the Traynor nails it! Super clean, a LOT of level (maybe a bit too much level, might need a pad on the console). With the EQ flat, the tone is just like my bass through a good DI. The way I like it. I previously read a review of the Traynor SB115 stating that the XLR DI out was hissy. That is not true with the SB110! TONS of signal, and very clean. The 110 is wired POST gain/EQ, while the 115 is PRE, that might be the reason. I forgot to check the GK's DI out, so I can't compare that one.

To me, considering the size, weight, tone, and DI out quality, the winner was the Traynor SB110. Can't wait to test it on a live gig!

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I have one too... killer amp!
 
I bought a SB110 and I am very impressed. It's loud for a 120 watt 1x10 combo and produces impressive bottom end. The tweeter (switchable) is very present but not harsh. I don't think 12 o'clock on the knobs is flat, I think flat is more like: bass -2, low mid 0, high mid 0 and treble -2. It sounds very GK ish to my ears but it has a bit more thickness in the bottom end. Also the high mid control is much lower voiced than most 4 knob eq's. The "Expander" control (scoop knob) is pretty much useless for me, in order to get a usefull tone you have to dial back the bass and treble which defeats the purpose. It could also be the bass I am using (Stingray Classic 5 with Dunlop SB's), I will give it a while with my Pbass. I am still getting good used to it and I am enjoying this little combo. I am impressed with the build quality and tone. It also sounds very good with an iPod pumped through the Auxiliary in, it sounds very much like a powered speaker.
 
I have not tried the SB heads yet but based on my experiance with this SB combo I am sure they are great. It seems to me that Traynor does not have a standardized "baked in" tone. I am not saying that thier gear is colourless studio flat what I am saying is that thier tube amps have a different character than thier solid state Dyna Bass line which also sounds unlike thier TB line. The Small Block SB line sound differs from all of the above as well. Some manufacturers ie Ampeg and GK stay with a homogeneous tone throughout thier offerings. Has anybody else noticed this?
 
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For whoever is on the fence about getting a Traynor Small Block 110, I got one and tested it Live this week.
I used my upright bass with a realist pick up on it .
The amp is very boomy and has enough knobs for you to dial a good tone. It's great for the price and size. The line out was sent to the house sound , so on stage the SB was an extra monitor .
It sounded more natural on the upright than I expected, and it was half the weight of the California Blonde .
It feels solid , too.
I'm very happy with it.
 
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