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Two 1x12 cabs together. Has anyone tried that?

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i think it would do good for metal if it's not real screaming loud metal. however, it's borderline. i'm sure it would sound just great, and you would get some good volume and thrust out of it, but for metal...unless you work with guys who can keep the volumes under control, you might struggle.
 
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My main rig uses 2 epifani UL-112 cabs. The cabs are rated for 300w each and my amp (LMII) is 500w. Its plenty loud for my roots rock, surf, rockabilly band, but we dont play *that* loud.

Metal band? Not sure. One thing that would work well for metal is one of those fEarful 15/6 cabs with a carvin b2000 or something that could drive about 800w at 8 ohms.
 
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I've been using a pair of 112s (Avatars) for low tuned Metal for the last three years. I used them for gigs where load in/out is a little more difficult (long flights of stairs, snowstorm, laziness etc).
With a a P.A. assisted show, they'll give you all the stage monitoring you'll ever need, even with screaming Soldanos and Mesas flanking you, lol. Minus the P.A., they'll get the job done but they'll be working pretty hard. Funny thing, though - when I was using a 650w solid state amp, I had to trim the bass on my head's eq pretty significantly to avoid bottoming out on the low B. When I paired them with a 225w tube head, they were the loudest and lowest that I ever heard them. At a show last fall, the power to the P.A. went out so it was all backline and vocal P.A. for the rest of the night. I was initially terrified of having to crank it but my fears disappeared soon after.

I'm still switching up to a pair of 15s, though ;)
 
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XtraLongScale said:
I've been using a pair of 112s (Avatars) for low tuned Metal for the last three years. I used them for gigs where load in/out is a little more difficult (long flights of stairs, snowstorm, laziness etc).
With a a P.A. assisted show, they'll give you all the stage monitoring you'll ever need, even with screaming Soldanos and Mesas flanking you, lol. Minus the P.A., they'll get the job done but they'll be working pretty hard. Funny thing, though - when I was using a 650w solid state amp, I had to trim the bass on my head's eq pretty significantly to avoid bottoming out on the low B. When I paired them with a 225w tube head, they were the loudest and lowest that I ever heard them. At a show last fall, the power to the P.A. went out so it was all backline and vocal P.A. for the rest of the night. I was initially terrified of having to crank it but my fears disappeared soon after.

I'm still switching up to a pair of 15s, though ;)
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Are you of the mind that mixing speaker sizes is not a worthwhile strategy? Curious why you might not go with one each for example.

As a radar guy, I can sympathize with the logic of a "bigger aperture of identical elements". I assume that is the thinking to the acoustics engineers out there.:hiding:
 
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lowendfriend said:
Are you of the mind that mixing speaker sizes is not a worthwhile strategy? Curious why you might not go with one each for example.

As a radar guy, I can sympathize with the logic of a "bigger aperture of identical elements". I assume that is the thinking to the acoustics engineers out there.:hiding:
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um, not really. the thinking with them is that cabs and drivers of different sizes can cause phasing issues of varying strengths, and cabs can be designed with as much low end as you need with any size driver so there's no advantage to mixing them.
 
#10
My 2 cents, since I've compared quite a few 2 x 112 and 212 rigs to various 410 rigs on the gig.

So much has to do with playing style. If you are a player that plays primarily fingerstyle, goes for a nice, well balanced, tight tone, and never really digs in or pumps in slap transients, I've found a good quality 2 x 112 rig with decent power (500+watts) can handle just about anything that a good quality 410 can with the same wattage input.

However, if you really dig in or slap, I've found that the 2 x 112 rig (and most 212's) will compress and totally reach their limits (i.e., almost sounding like someone has a compressor on at too high of a setting) versus a 410 that just keeps cruising right along at those peaks.

IME! No simple 'yes or no'. My guess is, for most 'metal' styles of playing, 2 x 112 will not do the trick... not even close.
 
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lowendfriend said:
Are you of the mind that mixing speaker sizes is not a worthwhile strategy? Curious why you might not go with one each for example.

As a radar guy, I can sympathize with the logic of a "bigger aperture of identical elements". I assume that is the thinking to the acoustics engineers out there.:hiding:
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Not necessarily. I pair a 212 with a 410 all the time and it doesn't strike me or anyone else that hears them as sonically incorrect. I'll pair anything with anything if the end result sounds good to me.
 
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XtraLongScale said:
Not necessarily. I pair a 212 with a 410 all the time and it doesn't strike me or anyone else that hears them as sonically incorrect. I'll pair anything with anything if the end result sounds good to me.
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+1 the 'phasing' issue is way, way, way, way overstated. It either sounds good (both up close on the stage and out in the room) or it doesn't. Cone size, combination of cone sizes, etc. has very little to do with anything, at least regarding bass backline cabinets.

A 'safe bet' is two cabs of identical design, but more based on SPL and voicing than anything else.
 
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Benjamin Strange said:
Like this?

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Yeah, they can get pretty loud - but not crazy, stupid, ridiculously loud. But it's been loud enough for small club gigs all the way up to stadium shows, and they're a hell of a lot easier to move around than a giant cab.
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Does Mesa use their own drivers, or are these an OEM Eminence ?
 
#16
there are so many 1x12 cabs out there that it's impossible to generalize. They won't be as loud as two fifteens or 4 tens (on average, and thats a huge overgeneralization), but it varies with the cabs used. four 1x12 cabs on the other hand....:D
 
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Lunatic_Pandora said:
As far as I understand, it seems that they won't make me the trick...

And what if I choose two 2x10? (the 211 pro series). As you see I want something portable...
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that would be great. the best way to stack them would be sideways so they are all on top of each other, looks odd, but great for dispersion and preventing comb filtering.
 

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