I currently only own and use my Mesa PowerHouse 2x12, does the trick and is a nice balance between tone and size/weight for what it is. Problem is for smaller gigs it would be nice to have something smaller thus not to cart the 2x12 around all the time. 10's and 12's some say are different and maybe they are, guess it depends on the speaker and cab config/manufacturer. I will say the two 2x10's config could be a better choice for the versatility instead of a 4x10.
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Two 210's or a single 212
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The GK 210's are from their more affordable CX line of cabs while the 212 is part of the premium NEO line.
I love the vertical 410 setup but that 212 is probably a seriously good cab and it weighs less than one of my 210's
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Tough decision.
I love the vertical 410 setup but that 212 is probably a seriously good cab and it weighs less than one of my 210's
.Tough decision.
How so?
The 800RB was the only true bi-amp head they made, TTBOMK. The more current amps, starting with the 700RB are not true bi-amps in that one of the amps is strictly a tweeter/horn/high frequency range amp. I suppose it could be used with something like a 1-12 cabinet but there won't be much bottom end.
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Your opinion is likely based on being louder than well hit drums with no good reason, in my opinion.
Since you already have the 2x10 I'd say just get another.
I use 2 1x12 cabs for large rooms and a single 2x10 for smaller.
I use 2 1x12 cabs for large rooms and a single 2x10 for smaller.
I use 2 Aguilar 1x12s (SL112s) in one of my bands (and sometimes just 1 of the 1x12s for smaller rooms), and I also own 2 Ampeg 2x10s (SVT210AVs) that I usually use for another band I’m in. Both rigs sound great and having both setups gives me a little bit different sound for my 2 bands. IMO, the Aggie 12s have better overall sound quality and clarity, they also go deeper and can get a little bit louder than the Ampegs... although the Ampegs are still (almost) always plenty loud enough for me.
There’s also a certain something about the tone of those sealed Ampeg 2x10s that I really like too. And because they’re sealed, they’ve come in handy many times on particularly boomy stages or rooms. Ported cabs can make an already boomy stage sound that much worse, but can sound awesomely huge and fat on other stages. But if I know I’m playing on a boomy stage from past experience, I’ll take the sealed 2x10s to cut down on the boom regardless of which band I’m playing with. So it’s definitely nice to have both options.
Another thought... I’d take 2 1x12s over a single 2x12 cab any day, and likewise, I’d much rather have 2 2x10s over a single 4x10... if for nothing else, 2 smaller cabs are way easier to carry than one big cab with the same amount of speakers. And, as others have said, 2 smaller cabs are a lot more modular. I’ve stacked my 2 2x10s vertically, side by side, and I’ve even placed a cab on either side of the drums many times, which is nice for the other band members on the other side of the stage to hear more of what I’m doing if we don’t have FOH support (as well as the audience).
There’s also a certain something about the tone of those sealed Ampeg 2x10s that I really like too. And because they’re sealed, they’ve come in handy many times on particularly boomy stages or rooms. Ported cabs can make an already boomy stage sound that much worse, but can sound awesomely huge and fat on other stages. But if I know I’m playing on a boomy stage from past experience, I’ll take the sealed 2x10s to cut down on the boom regardless of which band I’m playing with. So it’s definitely nice to have both options.
Another thought... I’d take 2 1x12s over a single 2x12 cab any day, and likewise, I’d much rather have 2 2x10s over a single 4x10... if for nothing else, 2 smaller cabs are way easier to carry than one big cab with the same amount of speakers. And, as others have said, 2 smaller cabs are a lot more modular. I’ve stacked my 2 2x10s vertically, side by side, and I’ve even placed a cab on either side of the drums many times, which is nice for the other band members on the other side of the stage to hear more of what I’m doing if we don’t have FOH support (as well as the audience).
How so?
The 800RB was the only true bi-amp head they made, TTBOMK. The more current amps, starting with the 700RB are not true bi-amps in that one of the amps is strictly a tweeter/horn/high frequency range amp. I suppose it could be used with something like a 1-12 cabinet but there won't be much bottom end.
It just will, to an extent. Will adding a 112 make profound difference in this case? That is debatable and the overall effect would depend a lot on which cabs are used.
The combination of a 210 and a 112 Eden cab is known as a ‘Vinnie” rig on their forum. The key here is WT series Eden amps are stereo amps which come with a L-R balance adjustment which allows you to blend the level of the two cabs output to blend the sound, creating a more noticeable effect than just two cabs sharing the same amount of power.
OK I didn't get that from your post. I thought you were saying the (2) 2x10 cabs wouldn't handle the low B like a 212. For the record, I have played a single B210 Avatar for a while, and it handled the low B just fine.
Ironically enough, I just moved from using x2 210 Rumble cabs to a single Mesa Subway 2x12. The Mesa is only about 10lbs heavier and just a bit larger than a single 210....but it has way output, spread and shear weight of the tone, than both 210's together. So i no longer need to haul x2 cabs around, the 212 is still very portable, fits in the car nicely and I can carry it in by myself fairly easily.
I'm surprised there hasn't been more math in the replys. 2x10 = roughly 200 sq inches of speaker x 2=400 sq inches of speaker area. 2x12 would be roughly 144x2=288 sq inches of speaker area. Likely, the 2x2x10's should win for loudness and fullness. The cheap side of me says, buy the other 2x10 as it will cost less and you should be good for all gigs.
If you do go the route of the 2x12, plan on having it off the ground.
If you do go the route of the 2x12, plan on having it off the ground.
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A lot depends on which 212. If it is vertical, it has a smaller footprint, and gets the sound up closer to your ears.
Sure, I didn't say it's impossible to play 5 strings with single 210 box, I was just on the topic and commenting to the OP.
His current 210 cab aint working perfect so he debates whether to get another 210 or just go for single 212.
For me, 212 is easier to handle and transport/carry than 2 210 boxes. Plus the headroom, volume and clarity is usually enough for almost any stage.
I have EBS neo 210 500W at 4ohms it handles B string nice but on higher volumes it obviously struggle. With my TC electronic 212 it was never a problem.
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I personally think that getting another 210 is the way to go.
4 10's sound very good and you also have the option of smaller venue setup or moderate sized venue setup.
I had run 212 fo a while but it felt lacking at times.
Bottom line is it comes down to personal taste.
4 10's sound very good and you also have the option of smaller venue setup or moderate sized venue setup.
I had run 212 fo a while but it felt lacking at times.
Bottom line is it comes down to personal taste.
Up to a (moderately loud) reasonable volume level my 2-6 cab sounds great with my 5 string basses.
