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Double Bass Velvet Garbos double bass strings megathread part I

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Played tonight's gig on the Animas. Last nights gig got canceled as well as tomorrows. Yikes what is that. No economic recovery here in the land of cows.

These are really GREAT strings. I think I like them as much as if not better than the Dominants. The Animas are very rich. Fat but still defined. Lots of air and wood in that sound. The front end of the note is diffuse compared to spiros or dominants but the big fat note that comes after is sweet enough not to matter. Plenty of note length. Still plenty of midrange cut. No synthetic sound like the dominants get, not buzzy and zingy like a spiro. I had to raise the string height again. I'm not sure what it is now I'll need to measure later.

They really sound like a modern Jazz bass should sound. Even plugged in without the mic. Easy to swing hard on. Can't pound on them like the dominants, they just absorb the hard hit and get spongy. If I stay light they seem to really bounce. I can see how they aren't for everyone and yet others won't use anything else. They are really old school and yet very modern. Weird. The Cleveland is a really balanced bass across the range and with really balanced strings it's a better bass than I have the facility to play.

Nice problem to have.

In the room I was playing tonight the middle range and Thumb portions of the bass didn't have quite as much energy as when I had dominants on the bass. May need a bit more string height and get a bit more tension on that I'm not sure. Perhaps I need to hit it a bit harder up there. I don't spend much time there anyhow so I'm not the best judge of that. Kind of a bassy room anyhow so I suspect that may be different elsewhere.

The light tension is really nice. My hands didn't get tired as much. I ran out of gas a bit on a couple really fast swing tunes walking through I don't know how many times around. When you dig in they seem to absorb some of that energy rather than give up more sound. I need to learn how to pace myself on them.

They are just breaking in too. All that could change.

Bandmates liked them. Said they sounded like a bass rather than a big synth or an EB. They liked how I swung with them compared to other gigs with other strings.

I double on this gig as I have yet to figure out how to get through some stupid Return to Forever and Hancock stuff without the electric bass. It's pretty weird to want to put down a '69 Jazz to get back to the DB cause it's so sweet.

Nice. More later.
 
Nicely put Phil--that seems really accurate. I get more "bounce" with the animas, a fuller sound, less initial attack but mo' booty. They get better with a little time.

I agree that they don't respond all that well to heavy hitting.
 
Uncletoad said:
I ran out of gas a bit on a couple really fast swing tunes walking through I don't know how many times around. When you dig in they seem to absorb some of that energy rather than give up more sound. I need to learn how to pace myself on them.

Oh, I feel your pain...:( Everything you've said about the Animas is just what I'd hope you'd say. It looks like it won't be long before I'm posting my impressions as well.

Keep swingin', gomez
 
T-Bal said:
You choose the tool that works best for you, right?
I guess so. But I'd rather leave the Fender at home. The DB is my tool of choice these days even though I've got a bunch of options. Playing the EB with frets feels like a Schwinn with training wheels. It's less and less my voice these days. All the same I can't seem to play those 70's EB centered tunes with signature lines on the DB. I've only got so much practice time so I dedicate it to other things that are a higher priority than figuring out how to cop Stanley Clark Alembic licks on the DB. Frustrating.
 
I've went ahead and ordered a set of Animas from Quinn's. Once I get them I'll have to figure out how to put them on. It's my understanding that there's some sort of boyscout tying manual for these.
 
Last week i was at Velvet's headquarters and i spent quite a bit of time talking and playing with Stephan.. we were discussing about how unforgiving people are these days with strings.. i told him that i read somewhere(cant really remember where) that some bass player was bitching because he just couldnt install their velvet strings because of the loop... i mean, its not rocket science, but people nowadays really want to have everything the easy way.
Bass players want the gut sound, but they cant stand the fact that gut is not stable as metal and that they will probably have to retune more often... in fact theres the main reason velvet strings now are made of silk , Stephan thinks that the silk while maintaining a natural organic sound , is more stable than gut, besides that, its getting harder to find a good source for quality gut... i've been a plain gut player (G and D) for many years, i dont mind retuning and oiling strings, for me thats part of the game, and in my brain the only thing which sounds like gut is gut...
however, i was playing animas and garbos there, changing basses and i can tell you that the animas really impressed me...
Even if garbos are the ones made to emulate the gut sound and the animas are more modern sounding, i really like the way they sounded.. not metallic in anyway, maybe because Stephan is like me, he hates metal :p . Anyway, i can really see why these strings are Velvet best sellers at the moment, i guess they apeall to both gut and metal players. I also told him that some people complain about the fact that the Velvet site is not very informative and theres not really nobody to answer technical questions about the strings. I can tell you that in a near future things will change and there will be more client support, anyway, its always a pleasure to visit him and the factory, and see the strings beeing made, hes a great guy and he even installed for free on my 1890 flatback a velvet tailpiece cord, which was the main reason i went there... Needless to say, i dont work for Velvet or am affiliated in any way with them, i just wanted to post some impressions about my visit there.


NUNO
 
Freddels said:
Once I get them I'll have to figure out how to put them on. It's my understanding that there's some sort of boyscout tying manual for these.
Not a problem. There's a booklet, and the tails are color coded.
And speaking of John Neves, is this the John Neves I met in 1958, used to play in Boston? Storyville, Jimmy Zitano, Boots Mussili (?) et al? One nice cat.
 
Don Higdon said:
Not a problem. There's a booklet, and the tails are color coded.
And speaking of John Neves, is this the John Neves I met in 1958, used to play in Boston? Storyville, Jimmy Zitano, Boots Mussili (?) et al? One nice cat.

Who brought up John Neves? Anyways, I believe so. John played in Boston. I currently still have the bow that he sold me when I started on upright back in 1981. John passed some years ago though. He was a great guy.
 
Geez, I'm sorry Velvet finds our desires annoying! It would no doubt be easier for them if bass players wanted nothing but the same gut strings in use in say, 1820. But then I wouldn't be buying expensive strings from Switzerland, would I?

Yes, I'll admit it--I'd like a string that has the soft organic sound of gut with the clarity and volume of spirocores, and that stays in tune even on the fingered notes, a string that knows what note I WANT to hit, and I'd like them to last 100 years and to make me thinner, more handsome, and ten years younger.

In the meantime, thanks velvet, the animas are great. And I really love the packaging, sort of vienna-moderne, kind of Escher-isch. And the loop ends are schweet. Now please get to work on the more handsome and ten years younger thing
 
My Compas 180 E string snapped today. Wasn't even playing on the E string when BLAMO! It broke just where the string meets the material (winding?). Not pleased. Thing is I REALLY like the strings, they sound great. So I called a friend of mine who bought a set around when I did (10 months ago) (for 280 ****ing euro) and he's had a low C snap in the middle, and an A snap in the same place as me. Luckily I'm just practicing right now, but his broke right before a gig (the A) and right before a symphony orchestra rehearsal (low C). And for €280 a set, it's not like it's resonable to carry a spare set. He's giving them one more shot, and he says he's gonna change.

I know that these strings are new, and so it's understandable that there are some problems, but MAN am i frustrated. so now i have to get on to the guy who sold me the strings, he'll get on to the company, i'll post the string and hopefully get a replacement. it's gonna take a while i think.

sorry for the ranting, but i need a place to vent.:spit:

In the mean time i'm playing with a really old helicore E. nasty. :bawl:
 
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