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Double Bass Wenzl B. Wilfer 4/4 5-string

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Thanks for keeping an eye out! In fact I've looked at that ad :) It could very well be a nice instrument, but it's far from home.

In a week and a half there will be the Musikmesse in Frankfurt, where many bass builders (including Wilfer) will participate. After the input from you guys, I think the best way forward is to give the bass back to the seller and to go to Frankfurt to try out a bunch of basses. Possibly I could have someone build a nice bass with a 42.0" - 42.5" SL and a 4/4 body for around 10k?
 
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Here are three more pics I've got to share -- the master Wenzl Bruno Wilfer (1907 - 1989) himself in his shop in Bubenreuth in 1985.

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If I detune by half a step (now a hodgepodge of Spiro E, Obligato A, D, G, Flexocor C) I manage even the current 44.25" without problems at practice. In other words I do have the reach, so with lower tension strings I might be just fine at 43.3". The "experiment" would be to find out whether I cope with it over time, during real world conditions...

For me, the main issue other than the questionable condition of the instrument is if your hands are big enough to deal with the string length without causing problems later on.
 
For me, the main issue other than the questionable condition of the instrument is if your hands are big enough to deal with the string length without causing problems later on.

Yes, exactly. OTOH: How do shorter players cope with typical 3/4 basses? I just looked up some statistics regarding average sizes for men and women. The Male / Female ratios are roughly as follows:

Height: 1.08
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Hand width: 1.14

If we for the sake of discussion conservatively scale the string length by the height ratio of 1.08 we for example get the following pairs:

"Male SL": 106 cm (41.7"); 112 cm (44.1")
"Female SL": 98.1 cm (38.6"); 103.7 cm (40.8")

It's tempting to arrive at the macho conclusion that "4/4 basses are for men, 3/4 basses are for women and youth" or, more realistically, "3/4 basses are for men, 5/8 basses are for women and youth".

I guess that the ability to cope with longer SL:s to a large extent is a matter of technique. Given the above figures, I would assume that persons with smaller hands slightly rely on pivoting in the lowest couple of positions. Maybe someone could share some light on this?

Then again: Just because something is doable doesn't mean it's desirable. The law of diminishing returns kicks in at both ends of the scale, with an optimum SL window wrt sound / playability tradeoffs (given what basses that are in demand) probably about 104 - 107 cm with today's string technology. Players with smaller hands have to adapt and overcome, whereas us taller guys have the luxury to play in position without effort.

Sorry about the rant! Anyway, I've really made up my mind: Why make the playing harder than it needs to be? Why even consider said experiment? All input I've received in this thread is much appreciated!
 
Spiro Weich test results

The Spiro Weich:s arrived yesterday so I decided to give them a spin since I have the bass for a couple of more days. The results are puzzling (keep in mind I run the EADGC tuning):

The E-string is absolutely dead. The volume is significantly lower, the sustain is lower, and the timbre duller compared to the Spiro Medium. Sure, some sacrifice in tone is expected, but not to this extent AFAIK.

The A, D, and G sound nice on open strings, and the tension is just right -- but the response is uneven, depending on where the strings are stopped, in particular on the A-string. E.g. the Bb and (to a lesser extent) the B on the A-string are dead. This wasn't the case with the Obligatos (although the D overall didn't sing as much as the others). A dead Bb just isn't acceptable in jazz...

Apparently this bass is quite sensitive to string selection. Maybe this is caused by the suspect saddle crack / bass bar repair?

Anyway, the Spiro Medium E is a keeper and in fact it sounds very good; plenty of volume and a lot more bottom than the typical 3/4 bass. The luthier, who sells the bass on commission, recommended Evah Pirazzi Weich, so that would be next string to try out for A, D and G. Unfortunately the high C isn't available in the lighter gauge, so this needs to be sourced elsewhere. Perhaps from Corelli?

Further observations on string length and setup

If I keep my index finger on F on the E-string I can stretch the G about 15 cents sharp at the current 44" SL. The poor setup is more limiting. The relief on the D-string is almost 3 mm at max, and the string height is 8 mm at the octave, 9 mm at the max (about 10 cm from the end of the fingerboard!), and about 8.7 mm at the end of the fingerboard. I'm now quite confident that with a perfect setup, and a modest shortening of the SL to 43.3" I'd be fine.

Conclusions

This has been a valuable learning experience. The instrument has lots of charm: The arco tone is great, and it shows promise as a jazz bass, too. However, further string experiments are called for, and a better setup is mandatory in order to really assess the qualities. It's too risky to buy the bass without knowing the results, so I'm still going to heed your advice and give the bass back and try a bunch of basses in Frankfurt next week. That said, I haven't completely ruled out a purchase of this instrument. If I don't find what I'm looking for in Frankfurt, and the seller is willing to do a basic setup (reglue and dress the fingerboard and install height adjusters) I'd be interested in a new try.
 
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If I don't find what I'm looking for in Frankfurt, and the seller is willing to do a basic setup (reglue and dress the fingerboard and install height adjusters) I'd be interested in a new try.

If you go for it, you should have a false nut put in and have the bridge brought up a bit with soundpost adjustment before you do any fingerboard dressing. No sense in doing it twice... Doing this work will help the seller sell it even if you don't buy it.

I have a feeling you'll find something in Frankfurt.