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Double Bass What a journey, but worth it.

hensonbass

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Feb 25, 2004
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Atlanta, GA
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As long as I have been playing upright bass I have always wanted to play rock and contemporary music on that instrument even though I learned to play the bass guitar as well. I have owned 4 EUB's so far (Moses, Eminence, Azola, and NS Design) and they have all been great instruments, but with various limitations.

I tour with a folk rock/country artist whom I have played with for almost 5 years. I have played almost exclusively upright bass and EUB until recently when the band brought on an extra guitarist and keyboard player. I found myself once again getting buried in the mix and got to the point where I could only play a P-bass. My beautiful Azola EUB piezo system was picking up too much ambient noise and couldn't sustain against the crunchy guitars and organ sounds. The sound man complained all the time about it. I even tried installing my double bass Biesele magnetic pickup on it but it didn't fit. I resigned myself to just play the slab and forget it. :(

Well thank the good Lord I fought back....and won!

On a whim I went to Guitar Center and bought a Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounder P-bass pickup. I then went to my guitar repairman and simply got some double-sided tape and stuck that thing at the end of the Azola EUB fingerboard and ran a wire straight to the jack and grounded it. Went home and started experimenting with how to blend the magnetic with the piezo. The magnetic tone was like a fretless p bass tone with plenty of punch. I love the preamp of my Genz Benz Streamliner 900 amp for bass guitar so I decided to run the signal into that and get a good tube bass tone. The eq section of that amp is very basic so in the effect loop I run out to an Empress Parametric EQ pedal into an Aguilar compressor pedal into an Aguilar Octave pedal and then into a Lehle Parallel M line mixer. I then plug the output of the Azola piezo system into the return input and mix the two signals back into the amp's effect return. I'm running essentially two effect loops to blend two signals and have independent control over how each sound is processed. The magnetic side is very eq'ed and compressed for a consistent, even and sustained tone. The piezo side is left alone and gets a direct path to the DI or amp section.

The results are amazing. No more problems cutting through now!:eek: The band is pretty amazed how present the bass is while still sounding like an upright. I'm learning to keep the magnetic side just subtle enough that it doesn't get that whinny tone and let the piezo tone be the character that can bark through if I dig in. I can even switch to the bow and get a sweet tone without drastic eq changes.

I hope this inspires fellow upright rockers to keep chasing the sound inside your heart and head. I've been chasing this dragon a long time but it really is beginning to sound great!
 
I didn't bring my camera out on this tour. I got one more week to go and then home. I figure if the bass makes it through the run with no problems then I'll post some pics. So far the P bass hasn't left the trailer!

I hung a Pre p.up off the bridge roll cage of an old Baby Bass back in the '80's and was amazed at how well it worked. Wrong time and place for me to really be able to pursue using it but it's always been an idea I've meant to come back to....

Pre p.ups work just fine and there's lots of options among them. If you ever wanted to get something fancy though Kent Armstrong does great custom work. Here's a single coil he made for another Azola bass.
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Update: I have simplified my setup after experimenting with a Headway EDB-1 preamp and have found that sounds fuller than blending with the Lehle pedal and then eq'ing with the Empress Para EQ.

Signal chain is now: P-bass pickup > MXR bass compressor > Aguilar Octaver > Headway preamp (chan. 1) blended w/ Azola piezo pickup (chan. 2) > TC Electronic Polytune > Summit Audio DI.

The powerful yet musical EQ of the Headway really blends the two pickups very well. I have to adjust the gains carefully to avoid distortion but once it's set it sounds great. I leave the compressed magnetic signal to be a consistent volume and allow the piezo to vary in volume according to how hard I attack the string. I can get the upright growl to come through when I dig in but when I back off the sound is sustained and consistent with character, but "in the mix". It really sounds like I'm playing two basses at the same time. Super thick and punchy.
 
Here's my Azola EUB w/ Quarter Pounder P'up's. The cabs are an AudioKinesis Thunderchild 1X12 and Art of Noise Fearful 1212/6.

The bass run through my latest pedalboard as explained has sounded really great and very versatile. Just having a touch of magnetic pickup tone to the piezo sound 'fills in' a missing frequency range, however it doesn't get in the way of my arco tone.

When I need to really cut through I bring up the magnetic signal with the MXR compressor engaged.

I could run straight into the Radial JDI but the Summit Audio TD-100 really gives the signal a sweet and subtle tube boost I like to hear in my in-ear monitors.
 

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Thx for sharing your setup. Very generous of you. I too have searched for that elusive loud, cutting, upright tone w/o sacrificing (completely) the sound of wood. I also had a Biesele at one time. I'm confused though about the returns to your Streamliner. Are you running the magnetic to both Instr Input and EFX return via Headway? Your pic lools like you're splitting the magnetic signal.