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#21
it is not for me (the body looks a bit like a Goldfish cracker), but how would it improve neck dive?...looks like quite a mass of wood forward of the centre of gravity and closer to the neck.

also I have always wondered about the Holy Grail of Sustain.......why is it so important?....there is no sustain in walking blues lines, slappin jazz, metal, Rolling Stone/Beatles/Zep/ZZ Top stuff, I don't hear much in Jaco's work, or Jamerson's either.....I understand a better crafted bass will have longer, fuller sustain......my Jazz holds a decent amount/volume of sustain for an 8-12 count easy, my lower quality Yamaha struggles to make an 8 count, but I bet that has more to do with the pickups , although the Jazz does have more mass 9lbs vs 7.25 +/- so I may be wrong there


...just asking and looking for some insight
 
#22
I don't think you understand sustain there edencab

JP, JPJ, PMc, etc., etc. all use(d) a lot of sustain - it depends on the tune and the groove you're going for - AND what is your 'count' 3BPM or 300BPM? hehe
 
#25
edencab said:
it is not for me (the body looks a bit like a Goldfish cracker), but how would it improve neck dive?...looks like quite a mass of wood forward of the centre of gravity and closer to the neck.
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Think about what neck dive is. Think about where the front strap pin is located. Now think about where the extra mass of the singlecut body is located with respect to the neck and the front strap pin. Now think about what effect that mass will have on neck dive.
 
#27
wvbass said:
Think about what neck dive is. Think about where the front strap pin is located. Now think about where the extra mass of the singlecut body is located with respect to the neck and the front strap pin. Now think about what effect that mass will have on neck dive.
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yup , now I've had a 2nd look and your post, I see it , no neck dive....didn't quite imagine the front strap pin location and its affect on ND....thanks!
 
#34
Look at the centerline (imagine it) between the front and back strap pins. All the extra mass/ weight is forward of the centerline.
I've yet to see a bass hang only on the front strap pin- if that was so, why even have a rear pin? All one would need is a loop over their forward shoulder to the pin, and rock (or jazz, or whatever) on.
 
#35
Bryan R. Tyler said:
Remember the "no ugly bass comments" rule, guys- if you absolutely must say something, say it's not your thing and move on.
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What if it IS ugly, and I like it?

One of the things people talk about with single cut bodies is that the is a lot less neck "sticking out" from the body, so neck stability is improved. Lots of good things come from increased stability.

I actually find the single cut style incredibly elegant visually. I happen to prefer bolt-on instruments on the whole, so the single cut starts getting a little odd there, though I know several makers offer a single cut bolt-on.
 
#37
It's called "keeping up with the Joneses"... or Vinnies...

edencab said:
also I have always wondered about the Holy Grail of Sustain.......why is it so important?....there is no sustain in walking blues lines, slappin jazz, metal, Rolling Stone/Beatles/Zep/ZZ Top stuff, I don't hear much in Jaco's work, or Jamerson's either....
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I think you may be onto something here. There's a lot to be said for the sound of through-neck basses and other designs that emphasize sustain, but over time I moved away from all my old through-necks and now own only bolt-ons. The sonic differences have probably already been covered in many other threads, but the neck-throughs I've played have always sounded a little more "polite" to me, with a smoother entrance and exit and more compressed sound overall. Which is great if you're going for that sort of slick, modern, almost jazz-guitar kind of sound. But I like the punch and more pronounced air of a bolt-on. That's an oversimplification of something that likely has many variables (for example, neck-through Rickenbackers have plenty of punchiness), but it's been my experience for the most part.
 
#38
The original Fodera single cut bass guitar design scheme came about by request, basically. Anthony Jackson wanted a more rigid neck and neck attachment assembly, all without using graphite composite. Vinny Fodera came up with the single cut design as a solution.

Recordings that Anthony did before he started using the SC design show that he already had more than enough sustain from his Fender parts bass and double-cut Foderas. Sustain in the SC design wasn't a concern of note back then, if all the AJ/Fodera interviews and lore are correct. It's pretty silly to see Ibanez practically yell and scream about "GREAT SUSTAIN" in the ad copy for their SC Fodera-inspired design when it wasn't really a design goal to begin with.
 

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