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Double Bass What pickup to use on DB for funk?

^^^Great example above. Players like NHØP and Brian Bromberg play funk lines beautifully on DB from exactly the opposite perspective than I described; they play light and very precise and with amazing rhythmic precision, and both have a lighter/lower setup than usual and use either a magnetic pickup or high tech close-miking to get that very solid sound. I love them both!

But without a magnetic pickup, I wouldn't want to try that live because it would be a nightmare to get any volume without feedback. I know Niels used to carry a special little briefcase preamp for his magnetic pickup, and Brian has at least 4 pickups on his bass and often uses several of them in conjunction with a mic to get something approaching his studio sound live:

I seem to be getting a lot of flack in here for having several different pick-ups on my bass. The bridge piezo pick-up system was the first prototype system that Rick Turner delevloped with me a long time ago.

David Gage who used to do my work when I lived in NYC (who is great I might add) gave me his realist pick-up. Larry Fishman gave me his Full Circle pick-up as well. They are all pick-ups that when you put them on your bass you leave them on your bass, so there are a lot of wires. Plus I also have a mic on my bass so there is even more wires on it.
 
^^^Great example above. Players like NHØP and Brian Bromberg play funk lines beautifully on DB from exactly the opposite perspective than I described; they play light and very precise and with amazing rhythmic precision, and both have a lighter/lower setup than usual and use either a magnetic pickup or high tech close-miking to get that very solid sound. I love them both!

But without a magnetic pickup, I wouldn't want to try that live because it would be a nightmare to get any volume without feedback. I know Niels used to carry a special little briefcase preamp for his magnetic pickup, and Brian has at least 4 pickups on his bass and often uses several of them in conjunction with a mic to get something approaching his studio sound live:

Hey Chris, I hope you are doing well man? Just to chime in....for the record I do not use a magnetic pickup on my upright bass, never have. I have three pickups on my bass plus a mic. I always blend a pickup with the mic to try and get some air in the sound. All three pickups sound different, so depending on the music, direction, or volume needed I will use the according pickup. Actually any day now I should be getting a pickup/bridge prototype in the mail that I have been working on for awhile that could quite possibly revolutionize acoustic bass amplification. Fingers crossed!

Believe it or not my studio sound on my recordings is either a combination of two analog mics and tube mic pre's and no pickups, or two digital mics, no mic pre's, no EQ, no analog signal path and no pickups as in how I recorded my "Hands" solo acoustic bass CD. In fact I can't remember that last time I used a pickup on my bass on a recording.

Also, I play a lot harder then people think, that is why I have mineral deposits on my tendons and have been fighting tendonitis since my early 20's. It just looks like I don't play hard as I have spent a lifetime learning how to play acoustic bass with finesse and play the instrument the way my particular instrument wants to be played instead of me trying to play the bass I want it to be played without listening to what the instrument is telling me. That is also why I never practice my bass amplified, never. I only play my bass acoustically as your sound comes from your hands and the relationship you have with your bass. With that said acoustic bass amplification is one of the hardest things to achieve. There are some good pickups out there, but all of them have pieces of the equation missing. To this day to the best of my awareness which might be not very broad these days there still is no single upright bass pickup that sounds acoustic, clear, powerful, no feedback at high volumes, clarity, focus, round, big fat bottom, on and on. Some do some of those but I am not aware of a pickup that does all of them. That is why we are trying to fix that!

We should all play the music we want to play on any instrument we want to play it on, we just have to try and find the right pickup that works with our specific bass and also works for the style of music that we want to play. Very tall order but a very fun and rewarding journey to figure it out!
 
Hey Chris, I hope you are doing well man? Just to chime in....for the record I do not use a magnetic pickup on my upright bass, never have. I have three pickups on my bass plus a mic. I always blend a pickup with the mic to try and get some air in the sound. All three pickups sound different, so depending on the music, direction, or volume needed I will use the according pickup. Actually any day now I should be getting a pickup/bridge prototype in the mail that I have been working on for awhile that could quite possibly revolutionize acoustic bass amplification. Fingers crossed!

Hi Brian, sorry if I was unclear. I was trying to point out that Niels had a magnetic pickup and that you had a number of pickups and a mic and were unbelievably attuned to getting your sound live. I did not know that you were working on a new pickup prototype for the DB but had read on your site that you had designed a pickup system for your electric basses. I was hoping to get across to the OP that a regular bassist with a lot less experience than you or Niels was not likely to have the same success easily with just a regular pickup.

Believe it or not my studio sound on my recordings is either a combination of two analog mics and tube mic pre's and no pickups, or two digital mics, no mic pre's, no EQ, no analog signal path and no pickups as in how I recorded my "Hands" solo acoustic bass CD. In fact I can't remember that last time I used a pickup on my bass on a recording.

No trouble believing that at all. I've been listening to your recordings for years now and your sound is a component of the sound I hear as a part of the overall palette of what the DB is capable of. I think you have added a few colors to the spectrum for many of us who have spent the time listening; I know that is true for me...much appreciated, by the way - thanks for the inspiration!

Also, I play a lot harder then people think, that is why I have mineral deposits on my tendons and have been fighting tendonitis since my early 20's. It just looks like I don't play hard as I have spent a lifetime learning how to play acoustic bass with finesse and play the instrument the way my particular instrument wants to be played instead of me trying to play the bass I want it to be played without listening to what the instrument is telling me. That is also why I never practice my bass amplified, never. I only play my bass acoustically as your sound comes from your hands and the relationship you have with your bass.

Agree. I didn't mean to suggest that you "play lightly", only that your setup is lighter than many players out there go with (string heights and string choice). I didn't know about the tendonitis and am sorry to hear that. But it's pretty obvious that you've done a great job of managing it. I have tried to incorporate some of the sound and phrasing I hear on your recordings with stiffer strings and higher action, and it's no easy task, but very rewarding when it works out!

With that said acoustic bass amplification is one of the hardest things to achieve. There are some good pickups out there, but all of them have pieces of the equation missing. To this day to the best of my awareness which might be not very broad these days there still is no single upright bass pickup that sounds acoustic, clear, powerful, no feedback at high volumes, clarity, focus, round, big fat bottom, on and on. Some do some of those but I am not aware of a pickup that does all of them. That is why we are trying to fix that!

We should all play the music we want to play on any instrument we want to play it on, we just have to try and find the right pickup that works with our specific bass and also works for the style of music that we want to play. Very tall order but a very fun and rewarding journey to figure it out!

Agree, and looking forward to hearing about the new prototype.