When (beginner, intermediate, advanced, ...) can one truly appreciate a high-end bass?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by JPK_DK, Sep 5, 2020.


  1. QweziRider

    QweziRider Supporting Member

    Sep 15, 2008
    Northern Nevada, U.S.
    Isn't that some crazy stuff? I'm a hack at double bass - just enough to get through country and classic rock gigs (where it might fit) and claw my way through a couple symphony gigs my wife roped me into. I looked into better bows than what I have and said, "Nope....nope nope nope nope."
     
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  2. Achtelbeat

    Achtelbeat

    Jan 29, 2020
    Yeah, the same Bösendorfer experience I had like 40 years ago when I first played one.
    And it explaned to me very very clearly what to practice on. Maybe this is what a high end musical instrument / bass is good for.
     
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  3. Drifter8230

    Drifter8230

    Sep 4, 2020
    NOVA
    Its almost like the high-prices are a "gate." We can't have the unwashed masses playing classical instruments!!! This is fancy stuff here :)
     
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  4. QweziRider

    QweziRider Supporting Member

    Sep 15, 2008
    Northern Nevada, U.S.
    They saw me coming a mile away and said "lock the door!!"
     
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  5. alaskaleftybass

    alaskaleftybass Will Hanbury, Jr. Supporting Member In Memoriam

    Mar 21, 2012
    Sitka, Alaska
    I say all the power to those who were able to buy a very nice bass starting out. I had to wait a while to buy my first Jazz bass and it was on time from my bass teacher in high school. But boy did I love it when I finally got my new (old) bass!
     
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  6. gebass6

    gebass6 We're not all trying to play the same music. Supporting Member

    Sometimes people don't know enough to know better.
    Until they are shown better.
     
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  7. gebass6

    gebass6 We're not all trying to play the same music. Supporting Member

    "molasian"?":rollno:
     
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  8. JeezyMcNuggles

    JeezyMcNuggles Supporting Member

    Feb 23, 2018
    Santa Maria, CA
    I suck, but nobody really notices
    Whatever dude
     
  9. Delsan

    Delsan

    Nov 21, 2015
    Allentown
    Oh yeah no. But Fodera is an outlier for...almost anybody.

    I agree that any bassist would be better suited to starting on a Squier, etc. etc. You gotta see if the instrument is gonna stick. Nobody's first car is a Lambo, and nobody's first bass should be a Ritter lol.

    But if a bassist is lucky enough that maybe their dad or some other relative played, and their first bass is a Japanese Fender or a Vintage Stingray, you give em a nod and say "you better treat that thing right".
     
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  10. Delsan

    Delsan

    Nov 21, 2015
    Allentown
    When I first started I remember thinking Rickenbackers must be "the best" cause in all the Musicians Friend magazines they had "call for price".

    (I was 12)
     
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  11. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    But with cars, you don't start with a Lambo because it can kill you if you don't know what you're doing. Not so with basses. There are usually ways to downtune a lot of high end cars, partially for valets and partially because kids will get a $125k vehicle for their first car. Not my kids.
     
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  12. Delsan

    Delsan

    Nov 21, 2015
    Allentown
    A $10k investment can kill you too, if you don't know how to get gigs and you have a wife.

    What I mean to say is, you extrapolated the wrong point from my reply lol.
     
  13. LowWay

    LowWay It’s got 4 strings ‘cause they’re bigger! Supporting Member

    Dec 16, 2009
    W Mass
    Not me. I love seeing new players with nice gear. I love seeing anyone finding joy in music how ever they can.
     
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  14. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Even with cars some people think you should buy your kid a beater, while others think you should buy your kid a new car that has all the latest safety features. In both cases, I'm somewhere in the middle, starting on a better bass will probably help you learn easier because you're not fighting the instrument. But it doesn't have to be a Fodera.
     
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  15. LowWay

    LowWay It’s got 4 strings ‘cause they’re bigger! Supporting Member

    Dec 16, 2009
    W Mass
    my first bass was a brand new guild pilot, with the original headstock, real EMGs, and it cost 200x my hourly gross pay. My first Amp was a GK 400RB and a 4x10. So probably 250x my take home pay as a 16 year old. That’s 25 weeks pay if I save every penny. About 6 months. For the bass. Another 6 months for the amp.

    I loved it. Never had a bass below that quality. In the mid ‘80s MIM Fenders were garbage.

    Now you can buy a bass for $300, put $150 into pickups, $50 into a good setup, and have a seriously decent playing instrument that sounds great. And for a kid starting out, you don’t need the pickups right away, but good tone is the joy of the beast. The game has changed.
     
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  16. Delsan

    Delsan

    Nov 21, 2015
    Allentown
    If it's not a Fodera, then it's not the Lamborghini equivalent of bass.

    If you're saying "buy a stingray as your first bass" yeah whatever, go ahead. It might be a really crappy investment if you end up not liking the instrument, but some people can afford it.

    If a Fodera is a Lambo then a Stingray is a low end Mercedes, or a high end trim Toyota. Your call.
     
  17. inchoate

    inchoate Supporting Member

    Sep 19, 2019
    Philly
    I got very lucky and when I got started a friend of my dad’s was able to lend me a 60s Fender Jazz Bass. Having a good instrument made learning a lot easier. I ended up buying it years later and 35 some odd years on I still have it.

    That said, a Squier with a good setup probably would have worked just fine for me.
     
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  18. Delsan

    Delsan

    Nov 21, 2015
    Allentown
    I got my first when I was 14. I had some modest savings by that point, and I bought a Squier Affinity.

    It wasn't much but it got me through the initial learning curve until I learned enough to buy my first Warwick, some basses later.

    I still have the Warwick.
     
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  19. LowWay

    LowWay It’s got 4 strings ‘cause they’re bigger! Supporting Member

    Dec 16, 2009
    W Mass
    My second bass was a ric. Hated it. Didn’t like the tone, didn’t like the feel, the hardware was odd and clunky, but I just had to get it because I found a used cherry burst for $500. Sold it less than a year later. That’s when I became spoiled for life with a pre-Gibson Tobias with bartolini j/j pickups and that was a quantum leap. From there only really nice stuff would do, and I’m now a Bordwell conver for life.
     
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  20. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Columbia, MD Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    My first bass was a Cort headless that I bought when I was in the Army. The neck was less than stable and somewhat like a Whamola. So, I saved up some money and got a Steinberger XM2T (TransTrem) and that was my main and only bass for the next 15+ years. The TransTrem was a gimmick that I could have done without, but the neck was super stable and the action was consistent day to day, year to year. If I had stuck with the Cort, I doubt I'd be playing bass today.
     
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