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Why Do Fender Custom Shops sounds so good?

I'll never own one, because my local stores don't carry them, and I wouldn't buy something that expensive sight unseen. (not that I have the money to burn!) I own a Squier CV 60's P-bass and an American Std. While there are differences between the two, and the American is better all around, they both can nail any P-bass tone I want. I just can't see a Custom Shop sounding "better".

I understand that. Personally, I've never seen a CS or AV(except 70's) in a store. I've ordered online sight unseen. Keeping in mind that most online retailers return ship for free, and they even send the label and schedule UPS to your front door for a pickup. Its like having your own personal showroom at home.

The CS really does sound better. IF you took, a CV P, MIA P, AV P and CS P and blind tested them you would choose the best in reverse order starting with CS.

It cost more because it really is a better instrument. After holding and playing CS/AV bass you'll never wanna hold anything else in your hands.

I am not justifying the cost of these instruments but quality has a price. Not saying you can't have a quality CV or MIA etc.. but the AV and CS are more consistent in their quality.
 
Commenting without having tried one is simply unsabstantiated opinion and of little real use to anyone. Take it from me, there is a difference and IMO it is worth the extra expense for the Custom Shop. Believe me, I used to be a flat earther until I played one. I agree, though, that I would not buy any bass at that price without trying it first.
 
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Remember, CS basses are handmade by masters at the Fender shop, so its just like getting a custo made bass.

I thought the CS and Masterbuilt were 2 different things .And the masterbuilt are like 2x the money. And the CS are Custom Shop Team built. I think a CS is between a MIA and an actual custom made. Not trying to be picky . i was just wondering if i understand it correctly.
 
CS builders hand select and match body and neck. Neck construction is a big part of bass building. If the neck is wrong the bass is wrong.
Yep.

I'm also of the opinion that the simple act of matching necks to bodies is the key to getting a great sounding fender, which probably explains the variance in tone more than anything from one mass produced Fender to another.
Yep again. Sadowski is the current king of this, IMO. I am convinced, after MUCH parts swapping, that one of the key ingredients is the body-to-neck weight ratio. The best sounding ones in my experience tend to have necks that make up about 25% of the total instrument weight, which should be around 7.5 to 8.5 lbs.. Neck stiffness is also key(stiffer seems to be better).
 
There's also some placebo effect. You know it's an expensive CS bass, so your brain processes incoming information in a (positively) biased way. This is a very well-established fact in consumer psychology.

You don't need a fancy degree in "Consumer Psychology" to realize this is neither universal in effect nor consistent in degree. Yes, there is a sucker born every minute, but there are also skeptics.
 
There's also some placebo effect. You know it's an expensive CS bass, so your brain processes incoming information in a (positively) biased way. This is a very well-established fact in consumer psychology.

I do agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm a chef by profession, and have bartended for over 25 years in between cooking gigs to keep my sanity (didn't work). One of the biggest challenges is to be as objective as possible when selecting ingredients, recipe testing, etc. It also works in our favour as good presentation of a dish or a cocktail increases the customer's enjoyment of same massively. I now market and sell a premium quality packaged smoothie that is sold in 20 countries, and the exceptionally well-designed packaging and where we place it in the marketplace has helped us enormously- but without a product that reflects the quality of the packaging we wouldn't last very long or experience the rapid growth we do, and we would have to spend so much more than we now on advertising to become known, as word-of-mouth advertising would be slim to non-existent.

On the other hand, if you are aware of the effect you can train yourself to mitigate it by doing blind tastings, and learning to trust your first impressions if they are based on enough experience. I'm skeptical of any product being better than another based on it's price, brand, reputation or who is hawking it, so I'm extra critical when trying new things.

I'm not of the opinion that every CS bass is better sounding than every 'lesser' Fender product, and I've played a lot of cheaper ones that sound great. I say play each bass and judge it on its merits; if you find a trend emerges it can be helpful in narrowing your search, but don't put overmuch faith in these prejudices.

This is why I am as happy playing my Tokai Hard Punchers as my CS Jazz, because they are all simply great sounding and playing basses.

That Custom Classic linked from the classifieds is a beauty- this range of updated classic Fender designs is unfairly overlooked in the category of Super-Js, for example. Most people don't even know the range exists, and judging from the lack of threads and comments about them, i doubt many have even tried one. I know that most Fender dealers that carry only a few CS basses will stick with the TM models exclusively, further reducing their visibility.
 
I would guess that the luthier working on a cs bass probably goes through 10-20 necks with a body and doesn't settle on one until it sounds right. They just put the neck back to use with another body. They probably select wood of the perfect density and dry it to precise percentage also. Do you think anyone ever listens to a mexi jazz or even a american standard before it leaves the factory... probably not (if the neck fits it is done.)
 
I understand that. Personally, I've never seen a CS or AV(except 70's) in a store. I've ordered online sight unseen. Keeping in mind that most online retailers return ship for free, and they even send the label and schedule UPS to your front door for a pickup. Its like having your own personal showroom at home.

The CS really does sound better. IF you took, a CV P, MIA P, AV P and CS P and blind tested them you would choose the best in reverse order starting with CS.

It cost more because it really is a better instrument. After holding and playing CS/AV bass you'll never wanna hold anything else in your hands.

I am not justifying the cost of these instruments but quality has a price. Not saying you can't have a quality CV or MIA etc.. but the AV and CS are more consistent in their quality.

I understand what you're saying. I do believe in quality and there is a price for it. Regardless of personal preference, quality is quality and I believe it effects feel.. IMO...
 

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