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Why do people not like Ken Smith basses.

bridge pickup too close to the bridge is a deal breaker for me.

his 6 strings also look funny - the body measurement perpendicular to the strings looks huge. i suspect the wings are the same on the 4,5, and 6 string models and the wider neck just adds size. whether or not that's accurate i don't know, but i know it looks "off" to me.

they are finely made instruments, though.
 
The truth is this:Many of you don't like a Ken Smith bass because it doesn't look and sound like a Fender P-Bass.
And because of that you think a Ken Smith is wrong!

That's it and that's all!

I don't get that at all. I used to work in MI sales. We carried all kinds of basses. I have owned and liked all kinds of basses.

My customers would play a Smith bass and say "It looks and sounds amazing! But it feels weird". I agree. Pretty much the only guys who drooled over every aspect of a Smith were gospel players. In the late 90s and early 2000s gospel guys thought the Smith was the end all be all of basses.


But it has nothing to do with not being a Fender (or feeling/looking/sounding like a Fender).

The feel of a Smith is "extreme". It's not extremely "wrong". But it's VERY different from most basses. So, even if you're coming from an Ibanez, Sadowsky, F bass, etc. it's going to feel odd.

I think everyone agrees that fit, finish, and construction of Smith basses are superb.
 
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I don't get that at all. I used to work in MI sales. We carried all kinds of basses. I have owned and liked all kinds of basses.

My customers would play a Smith bass and say "It looks and sounds amazing! But it feels weird". I agree. Pretty much the only guys who drooled over every aspect of a Smith were gospel players. In the late 90s and early 2000s gospel guys thought the Smith was the end all be all of basses.


But it has nothing to do with not being a Fender (or feeling/looking/sounding like a Fender).

The feel of a Smith is "extreme". It's not extremely "wrong". But it's VERY different from most basses. So, even if you're coming from an Ibanez, Sadowsky, F bass, etc. it's going to feel odd.

I think everyone agrees that fit, finish, and construction of Smith basses are superb.
Are the bodies a slab back with no tummy cut,that by itself would be a deal breaker for me having an old Jazz Bass and Fbass,I had a Ibanez Blazer back in the day,loved it except for the slab back.
 
I used to play one quite a bit. Very aggressive, almost violent, tone favoring the bridge pickup, which I was into at the time :) Very un-Fender like though, so that will probably not appeal to a lot of players. I also agree with some posters that they are not the most attractive basses available.
 
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I havent noticed that. The Smiths I have owned have been the finest fretted electric basses I have ever played.
Personally I think KS’s are as well made a bass as it gets. The problem is that they have a VERY specific sound and if you’re not into it there is no changing it. It just doesn’t work with everything.
 
It’s the price, I’ve played quite a few, they sound great, not quite on par with pre-Gibson Tobias instruments but similar tone wise . However they’re a little bland and the design leaves something to desire. I think they’re priced a little less than twice what they should be but the market dictates value

After reading some threads, i notice people really don't like Ken Smith basses. Why do people not like them?
 
It’s the price, I’ve played quite a few, they sound great, not quite on par with pre-Gibson Tobias instruments but similar tone wise . However they’re a little bland and the design leaves something to desire. I think they’re priced a little less than twice what they should be but the market dictates value
I hear you. Ive purchased 3 Smith's, and I currently own 2. I also own 2 Pre Gibson Tobias basses, as well as 2 MTDs, and 3 Foderas. I do think that Smith's are expensive these days, but not compared to Foderas. At least Fodera let's you customize.
 
I own a four string Smith from the early 80's- I think it's #41.
My only disappointment is that it's a 4 string. The look, the tone, and the playability are phenomenal.
As for Ken himself, well... He has a strong personality. I also have a strong personality. Part of the Wussification of the western world is lack of tolerance for anyone who's different or stands out.
I know he can be rude- I have experienced it. Stop being a bunch of wussies. Strong people have strong personalities!
I have read all about what an ***hole I am as well on my companies' Google review page. The vast majority of my former customers who hate me, wouldn't accept the fact that I refuse to block out a timeslot in advance for a taxi ride which is so short that the transaction will lose me money. This would be poor parenting on my part, my twins need a daddy who can successfully feed and house them.
The modern world has no forgiveness for people who stand their ground on principle. Ken has carved out a niche by not giving in and by not being a milk toast wuss.

Go back to your "we hate Ken" love fest.

Carry on!
It is spelled milquetoast
 
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I owned a PA made Chuck Rainey 5 string for 10 years. Got it in 93’. Played with the same drummer in a wedding band for 18 years. Every time I took it outta the case, he’d say…”man, would you just get a jazz bass?”

He hated that bass. The sound was crystal clear. Extremely articulate, yet forgiving of less than perfect technique. But he played with other bass players that all used Jazz basses, and just couldn’t get comfortable with the thinner, more succinct tone of the Smith.

Also, in the NYC, Jersey region where I worked, the majority of the working cats pulled Jazz basses out of their case when they got on the bandstand. I think Bandleaders found comfort in that. I personally had no love for Jazz basses for many years. But, when I did sub gigs, and the sub pulled out a 7 string Conklin or some other non standard boutique bass, I’d usually hear about it at the next gig.

Ultimately, I moved to a TRB-5P, which was closer to a Fender sound with its P/J + piezo ( if you wanted it) config. The band had added a lot of Salsa, and Italian waltz’s and were focused on ethnic weddings. The Smith did not bode well for those tunes. The round, warm, almost muddy tone needed for hardcore Latin was not there.

I could get it with the TRB’s P pickup, plucking over the fingerboard. I would even use an envelope filter set so it wouldn’t activate, and I’d get an extremely thick, low bass tone. I could also bring in the bridge pickup and a bit of piezo, and get super crispy high end. Being able to blend piezo with 2 magnetic pickups offers a vast array of tones. Especially with the 2 band on board and brandy new strings.

Point being, Smiths are a distinct flavor of bass. In the right hands they're spectacular. But they are different. In every way.

I also met Ken Smith before I ever got the bass. I knocked on his Manhattan shop door in the early 90’s just before the PA move. He welcomed me without an appointment. He was congenial, and seemed enthusiastic to show me the different woods he used, and tell me about the Chuck Rainey I was interested in.

He called me when the bass was finished and told me it would be at the Sam Ash in White Plains in the next day or so. When I walked into Sam Ash, the salesman was handing MY BASS to a prospect to try out. Oblivious that it had already been built FOR ME. I was pissed. I screamed, HEY… Thats my F#@%n’ bass. Put that Sh*& down.

I ended up meeting him again in Percasie PA to get the bass set up for free, and discuss the pre. Thats where I learned that you don’t dime the tone controls. To set your sound at the amp with the bass flat, then tweak using the onboard.

During that meeting he was still congenial, and gave me a tour of the new shop. he seemed happy. Content. But serious. Driven. Secure in his knowledge. My experience with him was nothing but positive. But, that could be an exception.

Just know, they cost that much because there’s probably more hours in a hand built Ken Smith than most basses made today. And it shows. If you ever get a chance to play one. Close your eyes, and listen. The difference is striking.
 
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The truth is this:Many of you don't like a Ken Smith bass because it doesn't look and sound like a Fender P-Bass.
And because of that you think a Ken Smith is wrong!

That's it and that's all!
My, you should try to think a little deeper than that. That was easy, doncha think…

And that is not it and that is not all.

I don’t actually know why some people don’t like Ken Smith basses. But I’m a little better than the lowest common denominator about it.
 
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Smiths were really nice! I did three studio albums and numerous live shows. This is subjective in that you may or may not be drawn to them. I didn’t love mine though I sounded like me. The position markers were too large. The pre amp was timid. I love more umph. Near the time I was going to sell it I read in BP that a studio bassist cranked his Smith’s bass and treble eqs fully. That’s not something I would think of doing. What emerged was huge phat mids. It’s appearance was very dated. I was ready to send it on after playing another maker’s fine bass. I saved $1K and found for me a more responsive bass. There is some talk that all the laminations from those years of “hippie sandwich” construction may provide the rigidity you want in a bass but the amount of layers of glue may dull responsiveness. Again, for me. My touch.

Find what you like. We have so much choice!
 
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My, you should try to think a little deeper than that. That was easy, doncha think…

And that is not it and that is not all.

I don’t actually know why some people don’t like Ken Smith basses. But I’m a little better than the lowest common denominator about it.
Nope.
No need to think deeper.

"If it ain't a P-bass,it's just wrong"
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
 
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