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Why don't I feel like a musician?

I've recently returned to bass after a good 6 year break. Life got in the way so I left my bass packed away. I'm back now and want to really master the instrument. Back in my day I had great chops, being able to play most songs considered advanced. But as I was self-taught, I had lots of gaps in my knowledge and I never felt like I was a musician...more just someone who played the bass. I understood music theory at a basic level but could never translate that to my instrument. My improvisation was pretty rubbish, and I never felt in full control of my instrument. I was really just a covers player I guess.

Now I'm back I want to change that, but I'm not really sure how. I'm working through Stu Hamm's Fretboard Fitness so I have a bit of structure while I'm getting my focus back, which is helping a lot. But I don't want to end up falling back into the same rut and end up just playing along to songs again. I want to feel like a musician who is in full command of their instrument, able to translate what's in my head to the bass.

Does or did anyone else feel like this? What did you do? What should I do?

Why don't I feel like a musician?

Tons of lessons out there that can be really useful, but also make sure record yourself and review. Most people can't remember every note they play, how they played it, and in what context. It's much more accurate than your memory. I found listening to my recordings allowed for the most growth as a musician next to playing with other musicians.

When reviewing your work, make sure give yourself ample credit for what you did well and repeat it. Note what you didn't like, and work out the kinks so you don't repeat the same mistake over and over again.
 
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I have a few years of piano and voice lessons. Bass is the gig. I am a musician. But I don't much use anything beyond speaking notes to communicate in a band. If relevant, I tell folks I'm a "bass user." I use bass guitar to create sounds I want. Fact.
 
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The answer may be a bit ironic. My perception is you may be somewhat of a natural bass player, based on your description. In other words the technical aspects of playing the bass come fairly easy to you. The problem is that is if you are only essentially copying the music that you are really more of a technician than a musician. In order to feel like a musician, maybe you need to actually study music instead of focusing on bass technique.

I think the most important things for you to study are music theory and ear training. Music majors would also study music history as that gives them context for understand why things are done a certain way. Don't underestimate the value of learning a lot of stuff that you think you have absolutely no interest in, because it all fits together and will benefit you in the end.

I am a retired pro and most accomplished musicians would probably consider me a semi-literate hack. The reason is because I am a generalist rather than a specialist, but I found a niche were I could be extremely successful and had a great career. I didn't have the desire or drive to be an orchestral section bass player, headline artist, or a bar musician, but turns out I was pretty uniquely qualified to be a military musician. But I was also extremely lucky to get my foot in the door because I was only able to complete music theory 101-201 before I joined the military. I was way underqualified when I was hired. Most of my peers had a Bachelor of Science degree, many had a Master and some even had a Doctorate in Music.

The knowledge I gained in those three semesters of music classes gave me a great foundation to build upon. I essentially taught myself to read and interpret chord notation while I was taking classical theory. One of the young guitar players on staff mentored me and would jam with me after hours once a week.

After third semester I had to drop out and get a job. I felt my best option was to join the military, I didn't even know they had a full-time band program, but it would not have mattered as I was not ready yet. I continued self study for about 5 years before I auditioned. I kept practicing and wound up playing in backup band for the base talent contest at my first assignment that led to the formation of a cover band that played at the Enlisted Club and various other events on base.

My second assignment was to a base that had a military band. I bought a really crappy upright bass and started working my chops back up. The audition was mainly on bass guitar in a cover band, but I believe my abilities on upright, and my ability to read chord changes out of the Real Book are what got me the job, even though they said my intonation was pretty bad.

Within six weeks I was at my third assignment and I spent the rest of my career in the band. I walked into the organization with my crappy upright bass on my shoulders and they were elated. They had planned to put me in a cover band, but needed an upright player in the concert band and big band. I had to work really hard to get up to speed, but I had a lot of help. It would not have been possible without a background in music theory.

Great post.

Attention: Unemployed Bassists

There are openings right now in the Military band programs. Need a substantial steady paycheck? A place to stay? Help with College expenses? Free healthcare? A retirement plan? Play with some of the best musicians in the world that are always on time and prepared?

Are you responsible and of good character? Have the drive to be the best musician you can be? This may be you you. If interested, contact your nearest recruiting station.
 
Great post.

Attention: Unemployed Bassists

There are openings right now in the Military band programs. Need a substantial steady paycheck? A place to stay? Help with College expenses? Free healthcare? A retirement plan? Play with some of the best musicians in the world that are always on time and prepared?

Are you responsible and of good character? Have the drive to be the best musician you can be? This may be you you. If interested, contact your nearest recruiting station.

Don't forget the opportunity to travel. Perhaps I was lucky, but I got to live in Germany for a total of about 7 years and I was able to perform in over 30 different nations throughout Europe and the Middle-East.

Also the band programs in each service are significantly different from each other. Do some research to find the program that best suits you.

Different services also have some differences to their educational benefits as well. So if you have a big college loan you want forgiven, but only want to serve for 6 years, you might choose a different service than if you already have a degree and want to do a full career.
 
I want to feel like a musician who is in full command of their instrument,

I'd bet most professional musicians NEVER feel this way. There is always something more to learn.

Look--if you can produce music on an instrument, you're a musician. You're probably not the best musician (whatever that means), but you are still a musician.

Stop worrying and just play.
 
I know what you are feeling and I get how this position can get you down. So here is what I did. Went on to Scott's bass lessons for a free 14 day trial. This opened the whole sites resources long enough to have a bunch of questions answered that I needed. Such as this is how I am feeling about my musicianship at this time, how can I fill in the gaps. How can I get more structure and discipline? A lot of people responded and gave great advice and ideas.
This worked very well for it gave me a direction that I could start in. I have since become a member and I am glad that I did.
There are a lot of people in the same boat not knowing where to find a compass to start your journey. This is mine. When I was younger and played in big bands on Sax, my teacher said to me something I never forgot
" You are a musician as soon as you pick up the instrument ".
 
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Why don't I feel like a musician?

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It happens but you seem to see what you need to do to improve, yet you have nothing to prove to anyone but yourself. So take it slow but be consistent. Make it fun, Mark you progress and pat your self on the back as you advance! :)
 
I hear you, given that I find myself in a similar situation. I'm an art historian and teach at the university, so I understand all too well the importance of theory and structure in learning. Yet it is known that there are numerous important and also famous musicians (even composers) who have little idea of music theory and never had formal training. So anything is possible. All notes are right there on the fretboard! I suppose that the best method to learn play an instrument at a sufficient level, whatever that may mean, is a combination of things optimized to suit the individual who is learning. Studying music theory, practicing technique(s), playing along tunes, trying to come up with simple but original basslines, ear training, taking lessons, and perhaps most important of all, especially after a point, playing music that motivates you with other people. One needs a vision as with most things in life.
 
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I really only "feel" like a musician when I've got a regular gig or jam.
If I'm not regularly playing with others I just don't "feel it."

I agree with others who say that lessons might be a good idea. For the last 2 decades I haven't had lessons nor any particular home study or practice routine. However, I certainly benefited from a foundation of 9 years of orchestra and several years of private lessons in my primary school years.

Lastly, deliberately joining a band or situation that is different than your normal or previous experience can really stretch and engage you. Even in my limited experience, I feel I've benefitted everytime I tried something different, whether it was new genres, more experienced musicians, more/longer gigs, on-the-fly performances, etc...
 
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Work on theory, scales practice, that type of thing. Play along with songs without any chords or tabs from the net, if you can do that it means you're able to hear and respond the way a musician does. Do you know the key after you figure out the root? Start writing. So many of the best blues songs were written by Willie Dixon (bass player). Mingus composed genius level jazz.
 
I think more than just "learning theory" is learn composition, try to build out your framework to understand why certain composers did something, contrast that with how you view or react to something or how you would have done it. Step back from just bass and maybe learn some piano, just something to get you to view songs from a new angle. Write songs, learn to record, try to cover songs you like and record them. With some guidance you can start identifying your own habits and what you need to work on. Also just listen to a lot of music especially with a critical ear. If you are somewhat familiar with chords a good place to start is identifying common turnarounds like ii V I in stuff you're already listening to.
 
I've recently returned to bass after a good 6 year break. Life got in the way so I left my bass packed away. I'm back now and want to really master the instrument. Back in my day I had great chops, being able to play most songs considered advanced. But as I was self-taught, I had lots of gaps in my knowledge and I never felt like I was a musician...more just someone who played the bass. I understood music theory at a basic level but could never translate that to my instrument. My improvisation was pretty rubbish, and I never felt in full control of my instrument. I was really just a covers player I guess.

Now I'm back I want to change that, but I'm not really sure how. I'm working through Stu Hamm's Fretboard Fitness so I have a bit of structure while I'm getting my focus back, which is helping a lot. But I don't want to end up falling back into the same rut and end up just playing along to songs again. I want to feel like a musician who is in full command of their instrument, able to translate what's in my head to the bass.

Does or did anyone else feel like this? What did you do? What should I do?

Why don't I feel like a musician?
I took a long life break to and when I was trying to get back i had the same feeling. It wasn't much fun to just play the stuff I used to play, but much worse. So I played around with different instruments and tunings, listened to new genres of music, all kinds of stuff just to shake things up and get me interested in something new. Once I got some inspiration, I needed to take it to bass, and once I did it's been good going. So I guess my advice is approach the instrument like it's brand new to you, and get into a style or technique or something that's new to you.
 
Find a teacher? Figure out what you need/want to learn and go from there?
I found Ariane Cap's Music Theory for Bass Players to be really useful, and actually a really simple little book I bought for my kid when he was learning violin called Edly's Music Theory for Practical People that filled in a lot of gaps in my knowledge. Lots of things I kinda knew or only half knew, and a few things I thought I knew but didn't really.
I've played with some phenomenal musicians over the years, some with amazing knowledge of theory, others with all but none at all. I don't think that's what makes you a musician.
 
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Every human being alive who is capable of introspection will occasionally find themselves questioning their confidence in a thing, no matter what that thing may be. I took several years off playing any music recently to get through law school but returned to playing bass last year; there are certainly times I think I "have it" and times I wonder WTH I'm even doing. That's the human mind in a nutshell. Don't let yours play tricks on you. What *I* have decided to do to see if it helps even things out, is finally commit to learning how to read music on bass. I used to be able to read music pretty well on piano, saxophone, and clarinet, but never did really learn how to read on bass guitar and sadly abandoned those other instruments long ago. Maybe you could look into the various packages out there for basic reading exercises and see if that helps. I certainly don't think it could hurt.
 
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I think what you want is to learn what's behind the bass parts you are learning. And that comes from music theory. I like Carol Kaye's approach for beginning bass theory, myself, but there are plenty of basic music theory books out there. Study the parts you know - break them down, change the rhythm pattern, play in a different key. Play slow or fast. Like take the Thriller bass lick and play it way down tempo, until until it almost becomes a shuffle. Take the soli lick from Chick Corea (RIP)'s Spain, and play it down tempo, but put a funk beat to it.

Since you say you don't feel like a musician, I gotta tell you, you are more of a musician than a lot of guys I've played with, because you know you need work, and you are the type that wants to know and feel what you play. As Chick said - don't play a note unless you feel it.
 
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