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why i got fired

#21
RAM said:
What you're saying definitely makes sense to me, but I'm not sold on him falling into the category of trying to screw an employer. I asked my wife, an attorney, and she's flat-out unsure what the courts would say, given the facts Warwickben provided.

Nonetheless, I don't think it would hurt to at least consult the EEOC to see what they say. If they confirm he doesn't have a leg to stand on because he was employed by the temp agency, I'm sure they'd be as quick to dismiss him as you seem to expect. In that case, since it doesn't go any further, I'm sure he wouldn't come across to prospective employers in the future as one whose litigious.

BTW: I'm curious what you do for a living. PM me if you don't mind sharing but want it private. :D
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I tried to make it clear that I don't think he falls into the screw category. I still say he was never an employee and, hence, wasn't fired. I would point out also that, according to Ben's own account, his way of doing things was at odds with the way the bosses wanted them done. Then he plays straw lawyer, citing the illegality of their measures. I detect a bit of a 'tude. If they are breaking the law, Ben, call OSHA.
 
#22
JC said:
I said in most cases.
Munji - if you have any ounce of ethics as an employer, and play the contractor game fair, than that's fine.

My problem is most of the big name companies now who bring on contractors in as "temp to hire" and the agencies who state "temp to hire" in turn never coming through on the full time hiring resulting in someone being a full time temp and expect us to do so with a smile.
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I never bring in someone from an agency as a so-called "temp to hire." Occasionally we need some genuinely temporary people to take up the slack, and we make it clear that when the work is done, they're going back to the agency. When we have a vacancy, say, in the clerical staff, I get someone from the agency, leaving the possibility of a hire out of the conversation. If the person does well in the position, they get hired. If they don't we have the agency send over someone else.

I think we went through six or eight receptionists a couple years ago, because none of them felt it was important to show up to work on time, if at all. Or their illnesses all came on Mondays or Fridays. Our receptionist now has been with us a couple years because she recognizes that we depend on her to be there to take our clients' calls. As I implied before, I'd rather have a temp go psycho on me than an employee.
 
#23
i provided all the info there. was i was only late twice and i called both times. i lost power and my arms didnt go ff only was 4 mins late and i made it up and the second time i was 20 mins late becaus emy dog ran off. i made up all the time said late when asked worked on weekend . there were only two othere people working in the shop this old guy who worked 6 hour days 3 days a week and the guy who was my superviser(sp?). ithe compy wasnt recently bought because the owner died and the decied they didnt wanna pay over time. i wound up working 3 hours a week over time with no pay caus ei felt bad for the superviser working every day till 11 at night with out being paid. the only thing i did wroung was mess up on things i never done befor i took medal fab not machine shop. my superviser didt care i messed up on the things i did wroung cause it was my frist time. i showed them better ways of doing certin things.

they told me the 3 reason they were letting me go were cause my meds.
the 2nd the way i did certin things were un safe. we really the way i did it was safer.ways of grinding. and the 3rd reason the parts i messed up , but the onyl parts i messed up wer ewhen they were teachign me new things and they didnt have a problem with that. which no compy should have a problem with.

i guess iam screwed. the temp agency is spose to find me another job for temp to hire. iam looking in to part time jobs tho. but if i can find a job in my trade i am gonna take it.
only thing i am not sure of is if i can caus eiam under contract with the temp.
 
#24
Munjibunga said:
I tried to make it clear that I don't think he falls into the screw category. I still say he was never an employee and, hence, wasn't fired. I would point out also that, according to Ben's own account, his way of doing things was at odds with the way the bosses wanted them done. Then he plays straw lawyer, citing the illegality of their measures. I detect a bit of a 'tude. If they are breaking the law, Ben, call OSHA.
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#25
OK. Well, being late and messing up start to look like reasons for termination to me (even though you weren't terminated) during the probationary period. It's better sooner rather than later. I'm sure the company has a different perspective on things.

Just some free advice to those about to enter the world of employment. DON'T be late, even once, during the first 90 days, or whatever the company's probationary period is. Then don't be late on any days after that. Do what you're asked to do, the way you're asked to do it, for the first five years. Then suggest the "better way" to do it. Those gray-haired hosers might know a thing or two you didn't learn in your 10 hours of class.

OK, I'm done with this one. Or not. We'll see.
 
#26
Munjibunga said:
OK. Well, being late and messing up start to look like reasons for termination to me (even though you weren't terminated) during the probationary period.
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And, a fact I read in this most recent post that I didn't get earlier (forgive me, here), is that the contract agency is still working to find him a job.

Scratch all my previous posts. It doesn't sound like you got fired.

And, as far as what Munji said about being late: it doesn't matter what they tell you verbally. Late is late. 4 minutes or 4 hours. Once or daily. Make-up or not. Late is late. And, feeling bad for your supervisor who's working until 11:00, thus working 3 hours for free, doesn't go anywhere when the company makes any decisions about your fate. You should have recorded your time accurately. Period.
 
#27
Munjibunga said:
Just some free advice to those about to enter the world of employment. DON'T be late, even once, during the first 90 days, or whatever the company's probationary period is. Then don't be late on any days after that. Do what you're asked to do, the way you're asked to do it, for the first five years.
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Yup - I was in personnel/recruitment for many years at a large organisation and we did have a different policy for those starting out - on probationary period, as such.

So - late attendance was very often a reason for dismissal in the first few months - I should say I sacked literally hundreds of people for poor attendance/lateness - I can remember recruiting 120 new staff at the beginning of one summer and only a handful (5 or 6) were left by September!! :hmm:
 

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