No, I'll be playing my NS BassCello, since I'm just flying in and out that day. I've used John Kolivas' double bass in the past, but I don't want him to have to try to fit into my performance schedule. I'll be doing a set with Kelly Covington first, followed by a set with Gypsy Pacific. Dave Choy will be joining us on that one as well.
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Double Bass YAMAHA EUB Megathread
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Thanks guys, That's what thought. I play my F bass through an Eden set up with 2 x10's but it is too cold and too much snow to get it to where I practice so that will have to wait. I was hoping that is what you would say about a 10 in. speaker. With my electric the sound of the eden is very warm and round but turned up it has some punch. You can't find an AI amp around here so the 3 hr. trip to niagara might be worth it .
Thanks,
Thanks,
I'll still try to make it out, say hello and introduce myself after your Gypsy Pacific set (if I do get to make it out). Aloha.
Haku, Thanks for the heads up on GH services in Niagara Falls. He hadn't heard the svb 200 with an ai amp but has had contact with someone in Vancouver that plays that set up and loves it. His quote was "I got wood" He also uses an Ampeg svt di and possibly a Clef solo II pickup. The owner of gh is Greg Holmes and his reply was back to me in less then an hour. Seems very approachable.
Thanks again,
Thanks again,
I have come up with a fairly cheap but effective flight case for the Yamaha, which consists of a slightly modified version of a standard SKB golf club case. Actually, I got the idea from a friend of mine who uses it to travel with his trombone. I moved the latches a few inches to lengthen the case enough to accommodate the Yamaha case. The golf case adds enough rigidity to compliment the considerable padding which comes with the Yamaha soft case. I have travelled a lot with it and have never had any trouble. It also gives you a place to put some small items if they are soft. I put my runners and sweats in there to save room in my suitcase....
I am interested in the Full Circle idea. I don't mind the sound of the onboard pickup when through my AI Coda III, but I have been wondering about that pickup. The one concern I have, is that I have heard that sound adjustments with the Fishman are not independent of the string height adjustments. In other words, every time you change string height, you change sound. Can this be true? What if the sound you like is at an uncomfortable height? I suspect this rumour is false.
I am attaching a couple of photos of my modified golf case.
KL
I am interested in the Full Circle idea. I don't mind the sound of the onboard pickup when through my AI Coda III, but I have been wondering about that pickup. The one concern I have, is that I have heard that sound adjustments with the Fishman are not independent of the string height adjustments. In other words, every time you change string height, you change sound. Can this be true? What if the sound you like is at an uncomfortable height? I suspect this rumour is false.
I am attaching a couple of photos of my modified golf case.
KL
Thanks Jazz Bass Guy, Very interesting!
I think this is the type of case I initially was trying to get away with, but now that I see pictures - I need to ask you:
Do you really trust the baggage handlers with your bass in this case? Have you seen firsthand what cargo is subjected to?
Looking at these photos, I predict that the latches (with only a couple of rivets each into thin plastic) will be pulled apart very quickly. If (or likely "when") that happens, the bass has only the gig bag for protection. Not the level of risk I can afford to take, or peace of mind I would personally bank on.
I get hired to play bass, and when I get off the plane at a destination, I know that with my hardshell case, the chances are exceptional that I will have a bass to go to work with - not pieces to reassemble on an emergency call to the local luthier!
Your title "cheap case" is just that, and you get what you pay for. Bravo on the creativity, but IMHO this case is a disaster waiting to happen.
As for the Full Circle,
Yes the string position of the pickup/adjuster affects the type of sound. It's not radical, though - so you can probably get the right end result by working the amp EQ if the string height luts the angle of the pickup in an other-than-ideal position. I have been lucky so far getting both the sound & height where I want them. There are probably a few posts dealing with this specific issue in the Amps, Mics & Pickups forum.
I think this is the type of case I initially was trying to get away with, but now that I see pictures - I need to ask you:
Do you really trust the baggage handlers with your bass in this case? Have you seen firsthand what cargo is subjected to?
Looking at these photos, I predict that the latches (with only a couple of rivets each into thin plastic) will be pulled apart very quickly. If (or likely "when") that happens, the bass has only the gig bag for protection. Not the level of risk I can afford to take, or peace of mind I would personally bank on.
I get hired to play bass, and when I get off the plane at a destination, I know that with my hardshell case, the chances are exceptional that I will have a bass to go to work with - not pieces to reassemble on an emergency call to the local luthier!
Your title "cheap case" is just that, and you get what you pay for. Bravo on the creativity, but IMHO this case is a disaster waiting to happen.
As for the Full Circle,
Yes the string position of the pickup/adjuster affects the type of sound. It's not radical, though - so you can probably get the right end result by working the amp EQ if the string height luts the angle of the pickup in an other-than-ideal position. I have been lucky so far getting both the sound & height where I want them. There are probably a few posts dealing with this specific issue in the Amps, Mics & Pickups forum.
I agree about the latches, but I am not nervous about the case itself. I made the modification as a temporary measure, which has become a long-term "temporary" measure. One of the latches got bent once, but somehow has managed to hang in there. My plan is to replace all of the latches with a more robust type. As I said, I have travelled with this configuration many times and the case shows very few signs of wear. As an additional benefit, the check-in folks think I'm a golfer and never make me sign a waiver. It gets checked as "special" luggage and seems to get better treatment than my old Anvil case used to. Of course, any case can get wrecked. I have seen really solid cases show up in tatters. I am going to get going on those latches, though. What you say about them is true, though the case is unlikely to lose all of the latches in one flight (there are five), and even one seems to be enough to keep it together.
Your case is definitely very solid looking.
Thanks for the info on the Full Circle. I will poke around here for more.
KL
Your case is definitely very solid looking.
Thanks for the info on the Full Circle. I will poke around here for more.
KL
Hi Ken,
Glad to hear you've been lucky so far, and that you have your eyes wide open. You are a pro, and a bass bro, and I respect that!
My concern about the latches is largely that they are not recessed. The handle appears to be a part of the case and less likely to be ripped off, but just the fact that the latches bump out from the shell, they are more likely to get snagged on something in transit..... I'm sure you will find the best available option.
I do like your point of being able to masquerade as a golfer
My case is very sturdy, but it is sometimes subject to an excess baggage charge ($25 - $50) for being 7 - 12 lbs over the 50lb limit.
Best!
mAx
Glad to hear you've been lucky so far, and that you have your eyes wide open. You are a pro, and a bass bro, and I respect that!
My concern about the latches is largely that they are not recessed. The handle appears to be a part of the case and less likely to be ripped off, but just the fact that the latches bump out from the shell, they are more likely to get snagged on something in transit..... I'm sure you will find the best available option.
I do like your point of being able to masquerade as a golfer
My case is very sturdy, but it is sometimes subject to an excess baggage charge ($25 - $50) for being 7 - 12 lbs over the 50lb limit.Best!
mAx
Hi Max,
I appreciate your thoughts on this, especially because I realize now that I have become somewhat complacent about the latches, which I have always intended to replace. I want to find some good heavy turnkey-style latches that I can bolt on with a little reinforcing on the inside. That shouldn't add too much weight, but it will add a lot more security. I am flying with it this Thursday, so I will probably have to go status-quo for now.
By the way, I found a Full Circle at a local store and I will be putting it on this weekend. Any recommendations/cautions/tips, etc. for mounting it on the Yamaha?
Thanks,
KL
I appreciate your thoughts on this, especially because I realize now that I have become somewhat complacent about the latches, which I have always intended to replace. I want to find some good heavy turnkey-style latches that I can bolt on with a little reinforcing on the inside. That shouldn't add too much weight, but it will add a lot more security. I am flying with it this Thursday, so I will probably have to go status-quo for now.
By the way, I found a Full Circle at a local store and I will be putting it on this weekend. Any recommendations/cautions/tips, etc. for mounting it on the Yamaha?
Thanks,
KL
Hi Ken, Prior to mounting the FC, I needed to have my luthier open up the space between the feet and the meat of the bridge, because the FC is thicker than the stock Yamaha adjusters.
Re: intallation, I explained how I mounted the pickup in a previous post in this forum (52) so take a peek there - hopefully it will help.
Good luck! I love it - especially for arco! I loo forward to hearing your comments after you have installed the FC on your SLB200.
Hopefully lady luck will smile on you and your case once more this weekend !
Re: intallation, I explained how I mounted the pickup in a previous post in this forum (52) so take a peek there - hopefully it will help.
Good luck! I love it - especially for arco! I loo forward to hearing your comments after you have installed the FC on your SLB200.
Hopefully lady luck will smile on you and your case once more this weekend !
Hey Max,
When you say you "needed to have my luthier open up the space between the feet and the meat of the bridge", do you mean the space between the feet and the bridge itself, in that it makes the strings too high, or do you mean that the diameter of the holes was too small? I didn't quite understand. I don't have my hands on the pickup yet, because the store I found it in is in another city, and I am getting the drummer, who lives there, to grab it for me. We are meeting at the airport, so I intend to attempt an install on the road. If it requires surgery, then that won't be happening. I play with the strings reasonably high, so it may not be a problem, but if I need to tap a bigger thread then it will have to wait.
KL
When you say you "needed to have my luthier open up the space between the feet and the meat of the bridge", do you mean the space between the feet and the bridge itself, in that it makes the strings too high, or do you mean that the diameter of the holes was too small? I didn't quite understand. I don't have my hands on the pickup yet, because the store I found it in is in another city, and I am getting the drummer, who lives there, to grab it for me. We are meeting at the airport, so I intend to attempt an install on the road. If it requires surgery, then that won't be happening. I play with the strings reasonably high, so it may not be a problem, but if I need to tap a bigger thread then it will have to wait.
KL
Hello again Max,
You have said that you recommend the optional extension for the frame. I have been thinking about that and I am now going to go ahead and get one. I wonder if you, like me, find the existing frame piece quite slippery?
KL
You have said that you recommend the optional extension for the frame. I have been thinking about that and I am now going to go ahead and get one. I wonder if you, like me, find the existing frame piece quite slippery?
KL
Hi Ken -
Yes, I meant the space between the feet and the bridge itself. You should be OK with the threads - The FC comes in two thread sizes 1/4-20, and 6mm. The Yamaha takes the 1/4-20. I had a lot of work done on my fingerboard a couple of years ago, so I needed to have some wood removed from the bridge to lower the strings to my desired height with the thicker adjuster of the FC.
The frame is kind of slippey, I guess - but since I added the extension, and bent the endpin (see the story in yet another thread located here) the bass balances very well and I have not had any slippage issues.
It's all a game trying to figure out what works - are we having fun yet?
Best, mAx
Yes, I meant the space between the feet and the bridge itself. You should be OK with the threads - The FC comes in two thread sizes 1/4-20, and 6mm. The Yamaha takes the 1/4-20. I had a lot of work done on my fingerboard a couple of years ago, so I needed to have some wood removed from the bridge to lower the strings to my desired height with the thicker adjuster of the FC.
The frame is kind of slippey, I guess - but since I added the extension, and bent the endpin (see the story in yet another thread located here) the bass balances very well and I have not had any slippage issues.
It's all a game trying to figure out what works - are we having fun yet?
Best, mAx
Well, I installed the Full Circle on my Yamaha, and at first couldn't get a sound out of it. I discovered that the ground was somehow disconnected somewhere, so I made a jumper with the twist tie that came with the cheezy cord they give you. It worked, and I liked the sound very much, though I forgot to take my Fishman preamp with me (it was "amp du jour") and it wasn't until I got home to my own gear that I could give it a fair chance. I really like it. Thanks, Max, for the tip. I am fantasizing about drilling a tiny hole to connect it to the built-in preamp, perhaps via a toggle switch so I can select either the Fishman or Yamaha. It would be nice to have use of the volume and tone controls on the bass. Also, I am somewhat allergic to add-ons and cords. Yeccchhh....
I scratched the top of my bass with the Fishman input jack,
because it doesn't fit too snugly and can pop out. Bye the way, when I got home, I exchanged the defective pickup for a working one, and it's great.
after trying different options i finally got my own homemade endpin for the yamaha slb200.
i started with the above described knuckle-kinda-thing (see the attached pics). a friend of mine made it for me. it turned out pretty big and heavy but it was good to try different angles and endpin lenghts. after a couple of weeks i ended up with a 44 degree angle (just like the rabbath endpin) and a lenght from the bent to the floor of 20 cm. -> what a surprise.
after that i had my friend bent me a solid iron endpin with the above angle and lenght (check out the pics again).
up to now i'm very satisfied with the bent endpin. it feels much more balanced now (both sitting and standing). i also think that the sound has gotten a bit stronger by using the solid steel material opposed to the pipe that comes with the slb200. i'm still looking for somebody to bent me a solid graphite stick which might affect the sound also.
comments welcome.
cheers
i started with the above described knuckle-kinda-thing (see the attached pics). a friend of mine made it for me. it turned out pretty big and heavy but it was good to try different angles and endpin lenghts. after a couple of weeks i ended up with a 44 degree angle (just like the rabbath endpin) and a lenght from the bent to the floor of 20 cm. -> what a surprise.
after that i had my friend bent me a solid iron endpin with the above angle and lenght (check out the pics again).
up to now i'm very satisfied with the bent endpin. it feels much more balanced now (both sitting and standing). i also think that the sound has gotten a bit stronger by using the solid steel material opposed to the pipe that comes with the slb200. i'm still looking for somebody to bent me a solid graphite stick which might affect the sound also.
comments welcome.
cheers
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Thanks for sharing Steffen!
The bent solid rod looks much more practical than the adjustable version, for sure. I imagine that the solid iron rod adds quite a bit of weight, right?
I am not sure that a graphite shaft can be bent, can it? One of the things about the Laborie pin (which I saw Glen Moore had on his 1715 Klotz w/Oregon last night - but that's for another post...) that contributes to it's success is that it is a straight shaft - the hole in the bass is at a 44* angle. I am not sure that there is enough wood on the SLB200 to install a Laborie as intended - or a shaft long enough if you wanted to....
You seem to have made a significant discovery by using a solid pin over a hollow tube, which makes a lot of sense. Thanks for your experimentation!
mAx
The bent solid rod looks much more practical than the adjustable version, for sure. I imagine that the solid iron rod adds quite a bit of weight, right?
I am not sure that a graphite shaft can be bent, can it? One of the things about the Laborie pin (which I saw Glen Moore had on his 1715 Klotz w/Oregon last night - but that's for another post...) that contributes to it's success is that it is a straight shaft - the hole in the bass is at a 44* angle. I am not sure that there is enough wood on the SLB200 to install a Laborie as intended - or a shaft long enough if you wanted to....
You seem to have made a significant discovery by using a solid pin over a hollow tube, which makes a lot of sense. Thanks for your experimentation!
mAx
has anyone played on the yamaha slb-100? if so can anyone tell me if it is a worthwhile instrument?
i'm wondering what kind of strings would be the best to use, since the yamaha slb-100 comes in with stock super sensitive supremes that are set-up for arco playing and I'm primarily a pizz player.
possible rig (i'm short on funds so i have to make do with what i have)
peavey basic 115 (my first amp, small but solid sound, my other amp's too big) ----or---- gk backline 300 with an epifani 1x12 cab
slb-100 (strings?)
i'm looking for a scott lafaro, or marc johnson, or charlie haden kind of sound. any help would be greatly aprreciated
i'm wondering what kind of strings would be the best to use, since the yamaha slb-100 comes in with stock super sensitive supremes that are set-up for arco playing and I'm primarily a pizz player.
possible rig (i'm short on funds so i have to make do with what i have)
peavey basic 115 (my first amp, small but solid sound, my other amp's too big) ----or---- gk backline 300 with an epifani 1x12 cab
slb-100 (strings?)
i'm looking for a scott lafaro, or marc johnson, or charlie haden kind of sound. any help would be greatly aprreciated
After ordering this CD directly from www.doky.com almost 5 weeks ago, it finally arrived today from Denmark - nice array of Danish stamps on the mailer.
The CD pictures a SLB200 on the cover (it's hard to tell for sure, but it looks like he put a FC on it, too) but the tracks contain both his acoustic bass and the Silent Bass. If you have read my previous posts here, you know that I love the SLB200, but hearing the instruments side by side, there is no doubt that the wicked bass sound that Chris uses for as lead voice for most of the record is not an SLB200 - it is the real deal, wood, air & everythang. The Yamaha (as great as it is) does not get that organic.
Not sure if anyone else has this recording....maybe I am getting old.... but he has added background noise, kind of like a scratchy record, and static - but rhythmic enough that I guess he might even consider this "percussion"..... personally I find it very distracting, and sadly it will probably limit how much I listen to this CD.....
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- Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amps, D'Addario Strings, Planet Waves
Hey all,
Been quite a while since I've logged in but have quite a bit more to add to the whole SLB200 line of thought. Well, I own one and find that it's perfect for what I need - the group I play with www.newworldson.com is a very dynamic band live - we can get really loud at times and it's perfect. In fact, when we did our record we spent so much time getting my Kay bass to sit in the mix - our last string of demos was all recorded on the SLB200 and as far as getting the bass to "pop" and really sit in the mix (as far as our stuff goes) it's absolutely perfect.
I dig what you're saying about the Chris Minh Doky stuff... great player but the production of that record in my opinion puts me off a little....
Anyhow, Maxito - I had a flight case made for my SLB200 and will be flying with it soon... thanks for all of the info....
I use all of my basses through an Ampeg SVT3-Pro head and either a 2x10 and 115 cab (for bigger shows both cabs)... I love the tube preamp with the DB and EUB.
Been quite a while since I've logged in but have quite a bit more to add to the whole SLB200 line of thought. Well, I own one and find that it's perfect for what I need - the group I play with www.newworldson.com is a very dynamic band live - we can get really loud at times and it's perfect. In fact, when we did our record we spent so much time getting my Kay bass to sit in the mix - our last string of demos was all recorded on the SLB200 and as far as getting the bass to "pop" and really sit in the mix (as far as our stuff goes) it's absolutely perfect.
I dig what you're saying about the Chris Minh Doky stuff... great player but the production of that record in my opinion puts me off a little....
Anyhow, Maxito - I had a flight case made for my SLB200 and will be flying with it soon... thanks for all of the info....
I use all of my basses through an Ampeg SVT3-Pro head and either a 2x10 and 115 cab (for bigger shows both cabs)... I love the tube preamp with the DB and EUB.
Just in case you did buy the slb100 in the end, I have the slb 200 with jazz strings on it and I want some arco ones...so if you want to trade, I have a set of helicore pizz strings (I think) that I would trade for reasonable arco equivs. K x
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