You still going to love Fender?

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by Whippet, May 5, 2019.

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  1. Whippet


    Aug 30, 2014
    [sorry, but video deleted due to profanity]

    Dont know the real fine details so cant say yes or no, but makes me think......

    How about you?
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  2. bholder

    bholder Affable Sociopath Supporting Member

    Sep 2, 2001
    Vestal, NY
    Received a gift from Sire* (see sig)
    Fender is a corporation, doing what corporations do. No surprises here.
  3. Nev375


    Nov 2, 2010
    I still love Leo Fender.

    I love a few of Fender's products, but I tend to buy used stuff, so I doubt if they love me.
  4. Whippet


    Aug 30, 2014
    why didnt they patent the shape? No one thought of it back then? Would have saved everyone money and problems.
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  5. Whippet


    Aug 30, 2014
    I am sure they love people who buy new. But used buyers..... I was told the used Fender guitars is what is choking Fender sales. Kinda like Harely. The biggest advocates of Harley only ride old vintage ones and never buy new, Not really helping out their stock prices directly. Somewhat twisted in a funny way.
  6. Jazz Ad

    Jazz Ad Mi la ré sol

    patent numbers 2,573,254 and 2,784,631. Somebody's got to enforce it, which is why they're sending lawyers.
    Just like with publishing companies claiming rights, the trend seems to be that if you're big, it's ok to steal from you and you're a prick if you fight back.
    In the present case, it's hard to see Fender design in the guy's. The body is a straight copy though, precisely because it wasn't patented.

    Another tought, I'm quite sure this guy is less in debt than Fender.
  7. James Collins

    James Collins

    Mar 25, 2017
    Augusta, GA
    I don't understand why this would change anything. I would go the same way. The average user can't tell a difference between the two.
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  8. Leo Thunder

    Leo Thunder

    Sep 27, 2018
    What kind of idiot loves a brand?
  9. jd56hawk


    Sep 12, 2011
    The Garden State
    Oh, no, they've gone too far this time...I'm outta here!

    (By the way, this guy should change his name to Mr. Miyagi. On second thought, maybe not...might involve a law suit.)
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  10. bucephylus

    bucephylus Supporting Member

    Aug 18, 2002
    FWIW, those patents ran out more than 40 years ago.

    I am less familiar with copyright law; but, I believe a copyrights on the designs may have been a better long range strategy. I suspect at the time, Leo wasn’t thinking that far ahead. Anyhow, the horse has been out of the barn for a couple of generations now.
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  11. foal30


    Dec 3, 2007
    New Zealand
    Katy Perry, once

    And apparently the S&M guys
  12. Wisebass


    Jan 12, 2017
    Lost in Space
    Hi Whippet :)

    I can understand that they protect their brand and their designs.

    Going after someone, who calls his guitar "The Televangelist"....

    That is funny! :D

    I think I have to make a few "Leophone" calls! :wacky:


  13. bhendrix


    May 2, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
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  14. two fingers

    two fingers Opinionated blowhard. But not mad about it. Gold Supporting Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    Eastern NC USA
    If the law suit is based on the headstock alone, then it is baseless.

    I have said it for years here. And every time I say it, people here tell me I'm dumb or crazy.

    The music gear market has WAY too many players in it right now. And between the new and used market, there is NO WAY there are enough customers to buy up all of the gear for sale. It's a house of cards right now. No way is stands much longer.

    Big manufacturers will get increasingly more desperate. Small manufacturers will go under or be bought up. Medium sized companies will be the last man standing in my view....and Yamaha, simply because they make almost everything.

    There is more for sale right now than there are customers to buy. Technology is making gear smaller and lighter. The population of guitar band musicians is aging out and there aren't NEARLY enough new musicians.
  15. Kmonk


    Oct 18, 2012
    South Shore, Massachusetts
    Endorsing Artist: Fender, Spector, Ampeg, Curt Mangan, Nordstrand Pickups, Korg , Conquest Sound
    If the builder is infringing on Fender's patents, trademarks and/or copyrights, Fender has every right to and should go after the guy. Without enforcement, nobody's ideas are protected.

    My brother is an intellectual property attorney. One of things he has recently seen is tribute bands and venues which have tribute bands, using artwork which is the same or very similar to artwork used by the original band. He said tribute bands and venues have been fined $75,000 per infringement. In one case, a casino made 6 posters which copied the original band's artwork but had the name of the tribute band on them. Since there were 6 posters made, the casino was fined $450,000 ($75,000 per poster).

    As a member of BMI, I am glad that rights are being protected.
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  16. There are most definite similarities. If I saw someone playing his (very nice) guitar on stage, I would think it was a Telecaster.

    Is this a good reason for Fender to set the dogs on this guy? I think not.

    If I were in Fenders position, I believe I would call this gentleman up and arrange a licensing agreement, and allow him to continue making his fine guitars with my blessing.

    But that’s just me.
  17. Dabndug

    Dabndug Supporting Member

    Sep 27, 2017
    Somewhere in Oz
    Corporations are just groups of people, like partnerships, unions, political parties, and clubs. It's people who make decisions and take actions, be they good, bad, or otherwise.
  18. Nashrakh


    Aug 16, 2008
    Hamburg, Germany
    As with Nintendo, the cold hard fact is that your average casual can't even be bothered even if they knew.
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  19. 40Hz

    40Hz Supporting Member

    It’s gotten ridiculous.

    Unfortunately, for every legitimate infringement claim there are easily dozens more that are filed purely for their nuisance or intimidation value. And the deeper your pockets, the easier it is to abuse legal process in this manner. Especially when you consider how the legal profession itself adopts such a lackadaisical attitude towards its own professional ethics and standards. Attorneys who file meritless actions are seldom disciplined, either by the courts, or their bar associations.

    It will only get worse as time goes on.
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  20. blue4


    Feb 3, 2013
    St. Louis area
    Fender's an adorable teddy bear of a corporation compared to some.
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