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Your approach/advise to Focus in the Information Age.

Feb 10, 2006
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Hi -

First off -
Anthony, you are an inspiration. I just read a little bit of your story in an old article and I really respect you for sharing. You are also one of the absolute best teachers that I have encountered on video and the web. I have zero shame in telling you that I have “stolen” some of your concepts and teaching style for my own students.

To my comment/question -

I don’t post very often and I’m not sure if this question has been asked before or if the topic has been discussed (oh, I’m sure it has) but here goes:

I’m confident that most people would agree that we are in an exciting time with all of the information that we have at hand. To me it is both good an bad. Good because good information is readily available bad because either there’s almost *too* much good info or one can easily find themselves fishing through well-intended yet ‘bad’ information. Sensory overload.

My question is; how do you feel that one can continue to be inspired yet remain focused and not allow themselves to become inundated with vast streams of information?

Thanks in advance for time, reading and response.

Best regards,
Ted
 
Hi Ted,
Just my opinion....I agree we are in an age of sensory and information overload and it is difficult to separate the wheat from the chaffe, especially for less experienced bassists (like me) who do not yet have the experience to determine the difference between "good" and "bad" information. One could also think more in terms of "helpful" and "unhelpful" information, since what may be helpful for me, may not be so for you. In my work I am perpetually inundated with information overload and in my field we talk alot about critical appraisal which involves reviewing the source (is it reputable?), the research or fundamentals behind the concept (does it make sense?), and the applicability, which for me is the most important part (does it work?).
The alternative would be to remain closed to new information and to continue playing in the same way without growth or inspiration, and I've heard quite a few musicians like that.
I think the fact that you are willing to ask the question is an indication that you are open to being inspired, and I would think the focus comes from employing filters that are developed from critical appraisal of the information and one's own experience. I think this is an ongoing and dynamic process. Just my 2 cents worth.... :)
 
Hey guys,

I DEFINITELY plan on answering this question. I've been so inundated with work this week that I can't give this question the 'time' it deserves. It needs far more than a couple of words. I'm gonna' try to get to it when there's a break in the action today. I've been crazy busy the last couple of weeks and there's no end in site. But I'll definitely get to it today.

peace,
anthony
 
Hi Ted,
Just my opinion....I agree we are in an age of sensory and information overload and it is difficult to separate the wheat from the chaffe, especially for less experienced bassists (like me) who do not yet have the experience to determine the difference between "good" and "bad" information. One could also think more in terms of "helpful" and "unhelpful" information, since what may be helpful for me, may not be so for you. In my work I am perpetually inundated with information overload and in my field we talk alot about critical appraisal which involves reviewing the source (is it reputable?), the research or fundamentals behind the concept (does it make sense?), and the applicability, which for me is the most important part (does it work?).
The alternative would be to remain closed to new information and to continue playing in the same way without growth or inspiration, and I've heard quite a few musicians like that.
I think the fact that you are willing to ask the question is an indication that you are open to being inspired, and I would think the focus comes from employing filters that are developed from critical appraisal of the information and one's own experience. I think this is an ongoing and dynamic process. Just my 2 cents worth.... :)

Hey Ant,
Thanks a lot. I totally understand what you're saying. Especially in regards to discerning the "wheat from the chaffe" as an ongoing process. I find that this is true in all areas of life.

I am in a place where I want and need to be re-inspired but find myself sometimes becoming easily distracted while trying to find inspiration, while trying to answer the questions that I periodically ask myself "What kind of player do you want to be?" "What kind of player do you need to be?". If that makes any sense?


Thanks again! T
 
Hey Ted,
Specifically with regards to my first point about critically appraising information, i.e. "reviewing the source".....you have mistakenly attributed the above quote to Anthony Wellington, rather than to me: I am most assuredly NOT a reputable or experienced source!! :rollno: :)
 
Yo Ted,

First of all I want to thanks you for your kind words. It never gets old to hear that people appreciate what you do. I know that many people think of me as an inspiration but the irony of it is that it is very cyclical in the sense that I get my inspiration from the people who are inspired by me.

Now to your question/issue,...

First of all there are many things that you touched upon.

We do live in a time when information is readily available. But if you really think about it, there isn't any more information than there always was. The notes on the bass are what they've always been for the 60 years of it's existence. The 20th fret of the A string has always been F. A DbM7 chord has always been made up of the notes Db/F/Ab/C. True,...if you Google 'notes on the bass' at least a thousand pages will show up. But they will be the same notes as they've always been. So don't confuse the issue. The issue isn't really information. The issue is 'presentation'. Presentation is what teaching is all about. Every math teacher on the planet pretty much teaches the same thing. But some teacher's methods resonate with some people more. It isn't the info,...it's the presentation.

The internet doesn't offer a good presentation because,...the internet isn't a teacher. Too many people are looking at the internet as a teacher. But it's not. But it is a good place to go for information. But information, knowledge and wisdom are 3 very different things. You have to find a way/method/teacher to help you turn that readily available information into knowledge. The internet will never give you that! You're still better off with a good teacher. But just so you know,...a bad teacher can't help you with that either. And know this too,...someone can be a great player but a lousy teacher. But that's a topic for another day. But it doesn't stop with knowledge! It's not enough. That knowledge has to become wisdom. The internet can't give you that either. A good teacher can't give you that either. He/she can't point you in the right direction though. Wisdom is that 'intellectual habit' that is formed when you apply your knowledge. There are many people who understand the concept of modes who don't know how to use them. They haven't turned that knowledge into wisdom.

Like you said, there is good info on the internet and there is bad info on the internet. The are really no 'internet police' to stop people who think they're knowledgeable about music from posting their 'misunderstandings' about music. That's not a system I would trust. I'd find a reputable teacher. NOW THAT'S WHAT THE INTERNET IS GOOD FOR! There's a process to learning pretty much anything,...driving a car, flying a plane, boxing or playing an instrument. When you circumvent that process you end up with an incomplete system. That's the reason why I get so many guys in the 30's, 40's and 50's wanting to start over again on the bass. They tried to circumvent the process. Or didn't truly understand that there is a process.

You used the words 'sensory overload'. But it's not really that. It's finding a method that works for you. If you try to use the internet to learn how to play bass or to learn the inner workings of music you're going about it wrong. I wouldn't fly in a plane with you if you told me that you learned how to fly by googling 'how to fly a plane' of if you told me that you watched 1,000 videos of someone showing how to fly a plane. Would you? Would you let someone do surgery on you who learned from Youtube? Would you let a 'youtube' mechanic work on your car. The information on the internet should be a supplement. And of course, when I say internet I mean the text and video part of it. I've seen some of the best playing and worst teaching on Youtube,...from the same player. But the internet can be used to take a Skype lesson from a great teacher who lives in another state or country. But instead of taking advantage of that technology people would rather watch someone do something 'flashy' on Youtube and try to learn that. I'd bet that more people are doing that than trying to learn the notes on the bass or to learn the 210 diatonic chords by relation to a key.

I'm gonna' stop talking about that. I could go on forever!!!

But you asked another question. It was about staying inspired.

Man,...my motivation has never been external. I'm driven from the 'inside'. And as a teacher I can always tell when someone's motivation is 'internal' or 'external'. If it's internal you'll wanna' know all you can about music and your instrument. And you won't have excuses for not knowing something. You'll make time to practice and study even if it means doing it BEFORE work. You'll continue to improve your knowledge without someone having to tell you to do so. You'll wanna' be the best that you can be. Not better than anyone else,...just always the best that you can be.

When your motivation is external you'll want to be better than other people. And you'll get frustrated because,...there will always be someone better(however YOU define that). If your motivation is external you'll stop practicing when your teacher is out of town. If your motivation is external you'll disappoint yourself. If your motivation is external YOU WILL QUIT at some point.

Here's my advice,...find a great teacher. Find a reputable teacher with a name. Take a lesson with that person, either 'in person' or on Skype. You may spend some money but when you find the right teacher you'll start to benefit right away. And you'll start to grow sooner. You won't have to wade through a bunch of 'bull' on the internet. Even if you spend $100 every couple of weeks or months you'll end up saving more money and, more importantly, TIME in the long run. You can always make up the money. BUT YOU CAN NEVER GET THE TIME BACK. Time wasted is time that can never be recovered. I'd rather take the chance with money and spend my time wisely than the other way around.

Whew!!!

Now you see why I needed a decent amount of time to answer your question!!!!

Oh yea,...please excuse any typos and bad grammar. I've been working a lot lately and I'm tired. I'm in Pennsylvania teaching at Gerald Veasley's bass camp. It's 1:40am and I have to teach a class of 15 bass players at 9am. Then I have some private lessons. Then another class of 15 players. Then I have to perform a couple of songs at a concert. Then more private lessons. Then I have to end my night by 'hosting' a jam session that starts at midnight! Then I have to do half of that the following day and drive 3 hours to get home to do laundry, pack and fly to Nashville the following day to teach at Victor Wooten's camp for a week. Oh yea,...then I have to do a clinic the day after the camp ends then fly back to the DC area. But at least I get to be home for 3 days after that!

peace,
anthony

"Smells Like Funk"
 
In addition to what Ant has said, and not to be a jerk, but those who REALLY want to get good, and REALLY want to learn will do so. Regardless of access to information or any other outside factors.. Having a teacher helps the vast majority of people (I know it has for me and my students) but I never had a teacher growing up, didnt have the opportunity, but I was determined to find a way to learn the information.

I find that alot of people would rather talk about, and read about learning than shut off the screen and practice. Alot of people are comfortable and happy being overwhelmed with information rather than take a piece of information that you know will be helpful (such as an Anthony Wellington Blog, Youtube Clip) and practice something they know will help them get better.

Alot of players (especially guitarists and bassists) are looking for excuses, which are easy to find because they are everywhere. As a teacher, I get a "sensory overload" of excuses :), usually the problem is a lack of effort or discipline.

Now that all the info is out there, most people know what their weak points are, FIND a way to learn it. You will if you truly want to. Victor Wooten was determined to tap like stanley Jordan, AND figure out "portraits of Tracy" and he did that.. as a kid...without the internet, just a record player. You can talk about Natural Talent all you want, but the defining variable is persistance and determination.

There is alot of Bad information out there, but also alot of uniform information YOU KNOW you should know, like the notes on your bass.. If you dont know them as well as a sax player knows the notes on their instrument, no excuses.. stay up all night until you do. The question In My opinion isnt "Where do You start?" it is "Why havent you started yet?"

This isn't directed at the thread writer entirely but more of a general response to the notion that having all this information out there is in any shape or form a bad thing, because for someone who wants it bad enough, It is a very good thing.
 
Hey Ted,
Specifically with regards to my first point about critically appraising information, i.e. "reviewing the source".....you have mistakenly attributed the above quote to Anthony Wellington, rather than to me: I am most assuredly NOT a reputable or experienced source!! :rollno: :)

AH! Gotcha! :-)
Well I certainly still appreciate the response and everything I said in response still stands! :)
 
Thanks folks.

@ MakoMusic Just to clarify - I don't view the internet or the plethora of information that it provides as a "bad" thing. I hope that I didn't give that impression. I believe that it is a very good thing. I almost wish it was around when I was a kid.....almost. (I had enough to get me into trouble when I was kid )

I like the user "Foundation"'s statement: "I agree we are in an age of sensory and information overload and it is difficult to separate the wheat from the chaffe, especially for less experienced bassists (like me) who do not yet have the experience to determine the difference between "good" and "bad" information."


I can recognize "bad" information pretty quickly. Not at all implying that I 'know it all' . A little background: I've been playing for a long time and, then in my 30's slipped and fell into playing classical double bass (soon to graduate with a BA in Performance...and I'll leave all negatives comments outside. :-) but my heart is and always has been on the electric bass. I have never stopped playing electric bass - nothing to "go back to" but my requirements have forced me to put a lot of effort into DB while still working on electric. The double bass story is a long one that I won't bore you guys with. Let's just say - that happened by 'accident' and by the time I had an idea of what had happened I'd gone too far and spent waaaay too much money to turn around. Trust me - I'm not a guy that doesn't practice or finds excuses not too.

............

Forgive my sporatic writing also...it's 2:06 am presently and I'm thinking about all I just read and....Ant, you mentioned looking within and I just remembered something that I heard (at one of those MLM hotel meetings a few years ago.....please don't ask) ....the guy kept asking people about their "WHY"....

I think that my overall question of how one deals with "focus" was answered with the suggestion of finding a good teacher. I appreciate all of you who have chimed in!

why....

nobody can answer that one but me, eh?

Thanks ya'll, I mean that.




Cheers
T
 
Thanks folks.

@ MakoMusic Just to clarify - I don't view the internet or the plethora of information that it provides as a "bad" thing. I hope that I didn't give that impression. I believe that it is a very good thing. I almost wish it was around when I was a kid.....almost. (I had enough to get me into trouble when I was kid )

Definitely agree with that one. Sounds like u got your stuff together, we all need some focus, but theres nothing wrong with working on a few things at a time as well. For me, my weakest points are reading, walking, and soloing over changes, so thats what I work on the most. Luckily for me I have Anthony Wellington. You should try a Skype Lesson with Ant to try for some focus.

Matt
 
Definitely agree with that one. Sounds like u got your stuff together, we all need some focus, but theres nothing wrong with working on a few things at a time as well. For me, my weakest points are reading, walking, and soloing over changes, so thats what I work on the most. Luckily for me I have Anthony Wellington. You should try a Skype Lesson with Ant to try for some focus.

Matt

The more I think I have my stuff together the more chinks I find in my so-called armor. Hence the original post! lol

I think taking a step back and reevaluating our "why" is the sort of "epiphany" (for lack of a more appropriate term) that I cam away with last night.

For instance - even though there may be value and merit to a kid whose got tons of time on his/her hands in learning, say "YYZ" (just jumped out - not sure why) but not the same value and merit to a guy in, say his 40's with a wife, kids and the different types of responsibilities that come along with that life.

All of your comments make me think of the local guitar store heroes who know that one lick, on that same subdivision...you know what I mean , that doesn't have concepts down. (I'm so ashamed to say that I WAS that guy once upon a time).

In any event - I think Anthony is a great teacher and it IS in fact his presentation that has always 'got me'. How long is that waiting list these days? :-)

I don't post to (or even read) forums very often so thanks so much for the conversation guys.



T
 
Yo Ted,

First of all I want to thanks you for your kind words. It never gets old to hear that people appreciate what you do. I know that many people think of me as an inspiration but the irony of it is that it is very cyclical in the sense that I get my inspiration from the people who are inspired by me.

Now to your question/issue,...

First of all there are many things that you touched upon.

We do live in a time when information is readily available. But if you really think about it, there isn't any more information than there always was. The notes on the bass are what they've always been for the 60 years of it's existence. The 20th fret of the A string has always been F. A DbM7 chord has always been made up of the notes Db/F/Ab/C. True,...if you Google 'notes on the bass' at least a thousand pages will show up. But they will be the same notes as they've always been. So don't confuse the issue. The issue isn't really information. The issue is 'presentation'. Presentation is what teaching is all about. Every math teacher on the planet pretty much teaches the same thing. But some teacher's methods resonate with some people more. It isn't the info,...it's the presentation.

The internet doesn't offer a good presentation because,...the internet isn't a teacher. Too many people are looking at the internet as a teacher. But it's not. But it is a good place to go for information. But information, knowledge and wisdom are 3 very different things. You have to find a way/method/teacher to help you turn that readily available information into knowledge. The internet will never give you that! You're still better off with a good teacher. But just so you know,...a bad teacher can't help you with that either. And know this too,...someone can be a great player but a lousy teacher. But that's a topic for another day. But it doesn't stop with knowledge! It's not enough. That knowledge has to become wisdom. The internet can't give you that either. A good teacher can't give you that either. He/she can't point you in the right direction though. Wisdom is that 'intellectual habit' that is formed when you apply your knowledge. There are many people who understand the concept of modes who don't know how to use them. They haven't turned that knowledge into wisdom.

Like you said, there is good info on the internet and there is bad info on the internet. The are really no 'internet police' to stop people who think they're knowledgeable about music from posting their 'misunderstandings' about music. That's not a system I would trust. I'd find a reputable teacher. NOW THAT'S WHAT THE INTERNET IS GOOD FOR! There's a process to learning pretty much anything,...driving a car, flying a plane, boxing or playing an instrument. When you circumvent that process you end up with an incomplete system. That's the reason why I get so many guys in the 30's, 40's and 50's wanting to start over again on the bass. They tried to circumvent the process. Or didn't truly understand that there is a process.

You used the words 'sensory overload'. But it's not really that. It's finding a method that works for you. If you try to use the internet to learn how to play bass or to learn the inner workings of music you're going about it wrong. I wouldn't fly in a plane with you if you told me that you learned how to fly by googling 'how to fly a plane' of if you told me that you watched 1,000 videos of someone showing how to fly a plane. Would you? Would you let someone do surgery on you who learned from Youtube? Would you let a 'youtube' mechanic work on your car. The information on the internet should be a supplement. And of course, when I say internet I mean the text and video part of it. I've seen some of the best playing and worst teaching on Youtube,...from the same player. But the internet can be used to take a Skype lesson from a great teacher who lives in another state or country. But instead of taking advantage of that technology people would rather watch someone do something 'flashy' on Youtube and try to learn that. I'd bet that more people are doing that than trying to learn the notes on the bass or to learn the 210 diatonic chords by relation to a key.

I'm gonna' stop talking about that. I could go on forever!!!

But you asked another question. It was about staying inspired.

Man,...my motivation has never been external. I'm driven from the 'inside'. And as a teacher I can always tell when someone's motivation is 'internal' or 'external'. If it's internal you'll wanna' know all you can about music and your instrument. And you won't have excuses for not knowing something. You'll make time to practice and study even if it means doing it BEFORE work. You'll continue to improve your knowledge without someone having to tell you to do so. You'll wanna' be the best that you can be. Not better than anyone else,...just always the best that you can be.

When your motivation is external you'll want to be better than other people. And you'll get frustrated because,...there will always be someone better(however YOU define that). If your motivation is external you'll stop practicing when your teacher is out of town. If your motivation is external you'll disappoint yourself. If your motivation is external YOU WILL QUIT at some point.

Here's my advice,...find a great teacher. Find a reputable teacher with a name. Take a lesson with that person, either 'in person' or on Skype. You may spend some money but when you find the right teacher you'll start to benefit right away. And you'll start to grow sooner. You won't have to wade through a bunch of 'bull' on the internet. Even if you spend $100 every couple of weeks or months you'll end up saving more money and, more importantly, TIME in the long run. You can always make up the money. BUT YOU CAN NEVER GET THE TIME BACK. Time wasted is time that can never be recovered. I'd rather take the chance with money and spend my time wisely than the other way around.

Whew!!!

Now you see why I needed a decent amount of time to answer your question!!!!

Oh yea,...please excuse any typos and bad grammar. I've been working a lot lately and I'm tired. I'm in Pennsylvania teaching at Gerald Veasley's bass camp. It's 1:40am and I have to teach a class of 15 bass players at 9am. Then I have some private lessons. Then another class of 15 players. Then I have to perform a couple of songs at a concert. Then more private lessons. Then I have to end my night by 'hosting' a jam session that starts at midnight! Then I have to do half of that the following day and drive 3 hours to get home to do laundry, pack and fly to Nashville the following day to teach at Victor Wooten's camp for a week. Oh yea,...then I have to do a clinic the day after the camp ends then fly back to the DC area. But at least I get to be home for 3 days after that!

peace,
anthony

"Smells Like Funk"

Ant -
Just reading through this again before I get read for Church. Thanks so much. I've been letting some of the things you wrote really 'marinate' over this weekend and its always refreshing to hear a 'fresh perspective'.

What you wrote about external/internal motivation is what prompted my thought and subsequent, although sporadic, late night response regarding my "why".

Anyway - just want to let you know.
Thanks again to Matt & Foundation


Safe travels -
Peace
T
 
Persistence!

It's never changing your mind about what you really are. Since I was 15 I've never changed my mind about music so I plug away at it.

Persistence!

When we are kids so many of us say that we wanna' be policemen, firemen, doctors, rockstars, athletes, etc,...when we grow up. The ones of us who are those things just never changed our mind. People change their minds so many times. And some times that 'change' is based on laziness and lack of discipline. Sometimes for more legitimate reasons. But it's still a change.

Persistence!

I never changed my mind about music. A lot of my musician friends did (for whatever reason). I didn't even give myself something to 'fall back on' because I know me,...I woulda' did just that. I suspect that you have to have that same kinda' fortitude to become a doctor or lawyer or President.

Persistence!

peace,
ant

"Smells Like Funk"