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Double Bass Zimmerman Bowing Technique Question

So I've been stuck working on pattern 1 from section one of this book for a couple weeks. I'm mostly working on it detache, figuring I'll come back to spiccato after I get the speed up. Once I pass 88 bpm, the figure that alternates A-E-A-E (going from D to G string back and forth) gets pretty sloppy. He mentions getting the metronome up to 152, is this something I should try to achieve before I move forward in the book? Or more of a long term goal to come back to?
 
Play the patterns mf at loudest. You can work on the book for years and not get to 152. Video tape yourself, or watch in a mirror for extraneous movement. Spend lots of time on the previous section with the double stops. Use minimal bow as you play faster. Make sure you're moving smoothly back and forth at the balance point. If you get tense or sloppy, STOP. This isn't a race. It's about playing the bass better.

This book is like Sevcik- you don't just open the book and go from page one to the end. You can literally spend years on a few pages, or skip ahead to other exercises which are beneficial and less frustrating.

And of course.... what does your teacher say? :D
 
Flying teacherless at the moment, for economical reasons. I love doing the double stop stuff, I make reasonable progress and hear/feel how much more control I have. I think it's trickier for me on the D/G than on A/D or A/E (I bow german.) The balance point seems harder to control when I'm over on the G, which I assume is a common thing. Thanks for the reassurance that I'm not supposed to be working up that high too quick, and for the other tips too.
 
At the balance point for faster playing is good for now but there are times when you have to cross quickly elsewhere in the bow length. The balance point is good because the bow is "in neutral". It is not resisting your commands as you cross. It is also easy to play on, off or semi-off the string strokes here. The bow and hair are springiest at the middle but control is more difficult and dynamic range becomes more limited.

Between skidding when you use too much bow and grunting when you don't use enough there is a range of bow width that gives you a musical sound when bowing on the string. I like to feel the hair grip the string at the beginning of each movement/note and time the end of each movement/note to coincide with resting on the next string. So that you "pull" a down bow and "push" an up bow.

Each style of bowing tends to have its own speed range where it works best. Hard on the string works at any speed as long as the bow length alters proportionately. Jogging or semi-off the string works nicely for Haydn/Mozart 8th notes at the balance point but spiccato and sautille move out towards the middle as notes get faster. Then ultimately you are forced back onto the string again for fastest,clearest, loudest passages with the best possible clarity of articulation.

Perhaps ask yourself each time what you are trying to develop through practicing these patterns. Is it timing and coordination for clean articulation, even-ness of attack, rhythmic control, different bowing styles, etc?

Wishing you lots of fun.
DP
 
Play the patterns mf at loudest. You can work on the book for years and not get to 152. Video tape yourself, or watch in a mirror for extraneous movement. Spend lots of time on the previous section with the double stops. Use minimal bow as you play faster. Make sure you're moving smoothly back and forth at the balance point. If you get tense or sloppy, STOP. This isn't a race. It's about playing the bass better.

This is excellent advice.
 
Once I pass 88 bpm, the figure that alternates A-E-A-E (going from D to G string back and forth) gets pretty sloppy.

A good way for me to approach this Pattern and the reverse E-A-E-A was to focus on the movement of my hand, instead of the movement of the bow.
Your hand should move in the figure of a circle or an oval, depending on how much on or off the string you play. Then you also have to adjust the direction your hand is pointing.
It helped me to practice this on different part of the bow.
 

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