For sale Zeibek/Electronix Submarine

Turn Em Loose said:

Not sure which version.

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I'm not positive, but I think an '08 would be an early mk. 2.

My name is Mudd said:

I'm not positive, but I think an '08 would be an early mk. 2.

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Thanks for the info!

Still available!

Does the velcro have the corners snipped diagonally similar to the paper, cards, etc on Battle Star Galactica? That's something I did on all my pedals and I was just wondering if this was my old Submarine.

MultiScaleMale said:

Does the velcro have the corners snipped diagonally similar to the paper, cards, etc on Battle Star Galactica? That's something I did on all my pedals and I was just wondering if this was my old Submarine.

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I think so?

Is there any hiss or noise? If not, I'll take it.

Mr. Pickles said:

Is there any hiss or noise? If not, I'll take it.

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I played the pedal a lot today. I detect no hiss at unity gain. But if you crank the sucker up all the way and move the tone knob to the treble side (past 3:00) you get a little hiss. But Man, I had to crank it.

Let me put it this way: If you're gigging, it's not going to bother you. My Tone Hammer has way more hiss than this Submarine.

Mr. Pickles said:

Is there any hiss or noise? If not, I'll take it.

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You must have like 60 of these by now

Haha. I had ONE from OZ that had no hiss. It was magic. I've never found another like it in any of the iterations. Full disclosure, I'm looking to clone the circuit, improve it, and strap a stereo unit across the mix bus in my studio. Yes, the Magic Submarine is out there and I will find it.

Back up for sale again! Grab it while you can. My GAS is your gain.

Here's a description of the pedal, from the designer/maker of the Submarine (musicelectronix), and frequency graph I found that describes the Submarine.

"Electronix Submarine is a JFET based preamp, as it is advertised.

- You can use it before a PA as a preamplification stage
- You can use it to restore gain drop after certain effects
- You can use it as a direct input device just before the mixing console
- You can use it to give some punch to your amp
- You can use it after overdrive type of effects to add some low end to your signal

and most certainly you can use it where you think is a good place and appropriate for a preamp

Most people seems to think that submarine beefs up their sound, adds a warmness and smoothness to it, enhances the low ends or clarifies the high end and is just useful as a regular preamp would be for some situations and settings. Some people claims gain structure is somewhat similiar to vintage specs. It isn't a tone control, it has a tone control.

I attached the freq/gain graph to this message to ensure better understanding:




Now what's inside..

Submarine is inspired from an older mesa all tube amp's preamp stage. Basicly the design consists of 4 building blocks:

in -> pre-gain stage -> buffer stage -> tone stack -> gain stage -> out

Pre-gain stage: helps you to control signal amount that is fed into the circuit. this part is important to control the overall clean output. As of today, I haven't seen any instrument with extremely hot output that overdrives the submarine, however, if it does you will have a solution for that.

Buffer Stage: controls signal amount before amplifying it through gain stage, lower the impedance of the magnetic pickups and do some filtering. the output signal of the buffer stage is very close to unity gain and has a total impedance of 100K or lower.

Tone Stack: helps shape the signal to a common EQ curve that would be percieved as musical and warm. Also the tone control is located here.

Submarine is designed to cut some lower mids to a certain point or in other words it cuts some of the freq.s, which are known as the rhythm guitar frequencies (around first 3 strings of the guitar). This allows submarine equiped bass rigs to sit rather nicely in a mix with rather louder signals without disturbing guitar's channel per say. However, the higher mids, trebles and lows are boosted to get a higher clarity out of the masive bass signal.

Gain stage: A non-inverting amplifier that is capable of boosting the signal up to 7-8 dB depending on the EQ shape.

I always like the gain characteristics of a vacuum tube. It sounds more natural and more musical, IMO. Other than that, I always hated ICs (particularly opamps in that case) when it comes to musical applications. The closest solid state preamp to the vacuum tubes should be designed around JFETs."

I'm slightly stunned that this wasn't snapped up about five minutes after you listed it. Has the shine really gone off of these around here?

My name is Mudd said:

I'm slightly stunned that this wasn't snapped up about five minutes after you listed it. Has the shine really gone off of these around here?

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I know! But this has sold.