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how averse would TB be if I...

would you be opposed to seeing a thread about a ukulele build?

  • yes I am opposed, how DARE you?!?!

    Votes: 14 9.2%
  • no, not at all.

    Votes: 139 90.8%

  • Total voters
    153
Jun 28, 2007
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posted the progress on one of my CB ukes?

I understand it's not a bass, but I think there's some information that some people might find helpful/inspiring/interesting. I'm building the thing anyway, so I might as well show others what I'm doing - it's not as fancy as just about all of the basses here, but it's a good place to start - they're cheap and can be made for as little as $5-$10, they don't require very many tools depending on how one wants to build them, and the end result is a unique, and fun instruments that I guarantee you will enjoy.
 
The only thing I'm typically averse to is an idiotic tonewood debate. Well, that and multiple threads on the same topic by the same poster. Those two are easy to prevent, first, don't bring up a tonewood debate, and second, when you do build your uke, use this very thread to post up your updates. That will make me happy.

If you don't really care about making me happy, then do what you want instead...
 
okay so it's official, I'm going to be doing it - posting my own methods, and my own progress and philosophy on building the cigar box ukulele. But I'd like to get a few things down first:

1) I'm not a devotee to the religion of tonewood. I do believe that wood changes tone in the ukulele, but that wood is so inconsistent, even in the same species, that the sound relies much more on the builder.

2) I believe in the CB uke as an object of "tramp art" - in other words, making something functional out of trash, or leftovers from another project.

3) I take a minimalistic approach at the moment - I don't have much space, nor any fancy tools, nor even that much money, therefore what you see is a product of me making the best I can with what I have at the moment.

4) This is supposed to be FUN, both the end product and the process of making it. The best piece of advice I can give to you is to make something that speaks to YOU, there are other methods of making the things, and mine are just what works for me at the moment. This is a combination of the product of my own reasoning, and my observations of what others are doing.

5) I can NOT stress the importance of safety ENOUGH - wear eyegoggles when using power tools, wear gloves when appropriate, use any and all tools as intended, and if the wood has been known to cause allergic reactions wear a mask. If you get confused, or need some help, ask for some guidance - there's no such thing as a stupid question if you honestly don't know.

6) I want to inspire you to build your own too - to me there's nothing more fun than the feeling of satisfaction you get when you finish an instrument and play it for the first time - if you want to build an instrument, but are intimidated by the size/cost of a bass the CB uke may be right for you since it can be very affordable.

7) I am going to be taking pictures later on today, after a few hours of studying, but I don't know how to post said pictures - if somebody could post directions, it would be very much appreciated.

okay, that's out of the way... now let's get to business:

I'm going to be posting some photos of progress so far, as well as the tools I'm going to be using. I've only just started so the product is still pretty much the same as the "before" stage. The cigar boxes I use are the cheap, nailed together plywood ones - they're free. Although you can easily get the better dovetailed plywood and even solid wood ones for not too much, I prefer using the ones that are just going to be trash anyway - I like to think of it as recycling - and it cuts down on what goes into landfills. I'm also going to be making a solid, 3-piece, spruce and redwood soundboard, this is optional. So snap a cap of your favourite brew (mine is laker honey lager, its cheap and I like anything with honey), and read along - but don't start just yet, drinking and woodworking is a recipe for an accident.
 
7) I am going to be taking pictures later on today, after a few hours of studying, but I don't know how to post said pictures - if somebody could post directions, it would be very much appreciated.
The best way is to host the pictures on another site(i.e. Photobucket, flickr, Myspace, facebook,) and then you can right click on the photo(when your looking at it on the host site) and copy the "image url". Then paste that url in between these code thingies



or the alternative is to go in the advance reply/post section and click on the insert image button(just under the undo button) and paste the url there.
 
Where do you get these free plywood CBs?? I just got a heck of a lot MORE interested :p

I just walk in and ask if they have some that they're just throwing out, they just hand them to me.

I just took the pictures actually, but I'll refrain from posting until tomorrow morning, I want to make sure that what I write is accurate, eloquent, and descriptive.
 
okay, first I'm going through my list of tools and supplies, this will give you an idea of what I have to work with, and what you need to make one yourself.

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most of the tools used for building my ukes, from left to right:
-the block plane, for improving the joints of wood, as well as helping to finish the surface
-drill press, drills holes for tuning pegs, as well as the bridge
-a hammer, 'nuff said
-the reamer
-the flat and triangular files
-wood glue
-a sanding block and sanding paper, for smoothing out surfaces
-clamps, you can NEVER have too many
-chisels, for carving and shaping things
-a jackplane, for thicknessing boards,
-a woodsaw, for making all my rough cuts

not shown are:
-a fretsaw, I got mine from stewmac
-a backsaw and mitre box, for making finer, more accurate cuts on smaller pieces
-a table saw, again for making rough cuts
- a coping saw, it's half-in the photo, but it cuts out curves and details - like the taper of the neck, the shape of the headstock etc...
-a spokeshave - for carving out the neck.
- a nice, refreshing, non-alcoholic beverage - it's just good to have

some tools I don't have, which can make some jobs easier include a bandsaw, and a belt sander, these go to make some jobs a LOT easier, faster, and less tedious.


lastly, my reamer, I've mentioned it, but it is so small in the photo that you can barely see it - so I'm posting a closeup of it:

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okay, this isn't fancy at all, I just cut up a piece of galvanized steel, drew out the basic dimensions onto it, and ground it out on a grinding wheel. Stewmac sells some, and I believe you can get them at a hardware store, but I made mine - I measured my violin tuning pegs from their thinnest point, to the thickest point, and ground it out to those dimensions.
 
Now that that's done with, I'm going to go through the materials.

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first off, you're going to need a cigar box, it needs to be at least 8 inches long, 51/2 inches wide, and 2 inches thick - that's pretty close to the dimensions of a soprano ukulele.
I'm going to say that this uke is going to have a good deal of punch!

okay, so maybe that wasn't funny...

the second photo is basically a visual list of most of the materials needed, from left to right:
-some spruce, oak and redwood, for the soundboard as well as bracing
-carpenter's glue, which really doesn't need explanation
-what once made up the back (non-lid side) of the cigar box, this will be used for the fretboard, and maybe a couple of other parts.
-the cigar box, there can't be a a CB uke with out it.

not shown are:
-fretwire, for fretting
-tuners - some use geared tuners, some the metal friction pegs, I use the wooden violin tuning pegs.
-some hardwood, probably birch, for making the neck with.

okay, so moast of this ukulele is going to be out of wood, I try to minimize how much metal goes into the uke, I agree with the quote I've seen floating around here that goes something like "more wood, less steel/ better tone, better feel.". The only non-wood parts that go into my ukes are the fretwire, the strings, and the glue. My personal budget for this uke is $15, that's how much I'm getting to work with - this means that I have to spend as little as possible. Most of my wood is recycled from other things - it's an element of tramp art, as well as a means of getting supplies for as little as possible. The spruce comes from some 2x4 that was used to keep the house up at some point, but has been replaced, the redwood was used in some molding around a door that was just being thrown out, the oak was from a guitar that a friend of mine screwed up on, he couldn't use it, and its proportions were ample for me to get some useable wood out of. The only advice I can give is to find pieces with as straight a grain as possible, as close to quartersawn as possible - especially with oak - and to try to avoid knots - small knots are no problem, but if you're planing your wood the bigger knots are a PAIN. It should be noted, however, that some violins of the amati family have featured knots before, and they are master grade instruments - so it may not affect tone as much as some would think. Furthermore, knots, and interesting grain patterns can add character to the instrument; but be aware that interesting grain patterns and knots can make the wood harder to work.

On to the species of woods suitable for the various parts of the uke:
-the soundboard is what is doing all the resonating, it needs to have a very low mass and high strength, so think of light, springy softwoods: the Spruces, western red cedar, yellow cedar, spanish cedar, and I've even heard of white pine being used too. Some hardwoods can be suitable, like mahogany, redwood (is that a hardwood or a softwood?), and I've been thinking of using alder or poplar for a while now.

the bracing should also be light, other than bridge brace:
-the body lining is just a glue surface, so you can get away with just about anything
-the soundboard bracing is usually spruce, though any softwood, or any light wood will do
-the bridge patch, and the bridge, should be a reasonably strong and hard wood - I've used oak before without any problems, maple, rosewood, and ebony are also popular choices, though the last two are unavailable to me, so I'm using either oak or maple.

the neck needs to be stable, so I avoid non-quartesawn oak, it is also one of the few pieces of wood that I buy:
-the wood needs to be able to stand up to the tension of the strings, which isn't much, about 23 lbs.
-most hardwoods will do: maple, mahogany, african "mahogany", alder, poplar etc... I've even used lacewood.
-some softwoods have been known to work as well, like western red cedar.

The main object here is to find something that is relatively easy to work with, while being aesthetically pleasing. The main woods used for ukes are figured koa and genuine honduran mahogany, which don't come cheap. If you're on a budget like me, I wouldn't worry too much about how "authentic" it is, it's being made out of a cigar box afterall.

okay, now let's get on to the strings, tuners, and fretwire:

Strings are, in my own opinion, one of the most important parts of the instrument. Believe me, the generic black nylon strings are terrible - though I've heard some brands get it right, and the d'addario clears are allright, but if you want the bright, snappy, punchy, percussive sound of a soprano ukulele, get Aquila nylgut strings, you will NOT be disappointed - these are by far the best strings I've used, and the most you should be paying for them is $8.

as for fretwire, it has to be small - I use the stuff at hana lima 'la, though if you can get very small sized, or ukulele/mandolin specific fretwire for cheaper, go for it.

Tuners are all a matter of preference. You can use geared tuners, either the fancy uke-specific ones, or some cheaper, generic ukulele or guitar geared tuners - they are easier to get the hang of, but they tend to have some "play" to them, not to mention adding weight to the headstock of your uke. You also have the choice of using the ukulele/banjo/dulcimer friction pegs - these are metal pegs with adjustable friction - I recommend these, as they have no play, and don't require you to make, or buy, a reamer. I personally use the violin tuning pegs - they are cheap, they don't have any play on them like you would find with geared tuners, you can make your own (though I buy mine), and they are made of wood - "more wood, less steel..." - however, as a downside, they take more work, as well as the reamer, to install - whichever you pick, you should look at the alternatives first.