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Inlaying crushed turquoise tutorial

Basschair

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Feb 5, 2004
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Stockton, Ca
Hello all,

I was asked to put together a how-to on how I did the crushed turquoise inlay on my latest build, so here's a quick and dirty one.

First off, I've got a few more "burst" eyelets that need to be filled:

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Here's the standard equipment that I use:

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The bag on the left has my general stock of crushed turquoise, and the bag on the right has the reclaimed larger pieces that are sifted from the finer during the process. I use both thin and medium viscosity CA glues, depending on the size of the holes to fill (thin for smaller because there isn't much gap to fill, thicker for the larger holes). I use the paint can opener for a scoop, as it gives an almost perfect amount for my purposes. The re-bent paperclip in the foreground is for manipulating the pooling glue and the glue-wet turquoise when it lifts from the hole and needs to be pushed back in. Not pictured is a folded paper towel.


Here I've got myself a single scoop of the crushed stone:

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Running a finger lightly across the top, back and forth will begin to pull the larger pieces out of the mix. For the small holes I'm filling, they aren't needed and I will move them off to the side for putting in the other bag.

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Here the pieces are mostly seperated:

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Once separated, I'll "pull" the pile of finer turquoise dust over the holes and rub it across the holes a few times until they are filled with finer particles.

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I put about two drops on this spot and spread it (when necessary) with the paperclip. When using the thin CA glue, I soak up the excess with a paper towel (quickly).

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I took the opportunity to do a few touch-ups. With this walnut burl, every time I do a thorough sanding I find a few more burst eyelets.

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I let it sit for about an hour or so. With the thin glue it's probably not necessary to wait this long, but I was hungry and had to feed our dogs as well.
Once I was back in, everything was nice and dry with absolutely no tack. With the medium viscosity CA glue this probably wouldn't be the case. When using the medium, I usually let it pool and set up over night to be absolutely certain. Here I've begun sanding with 320 grit due to the fact that it's thin CA glue, the holes are small so the amount of turquoise was small, and the excess CA was soaked up before drying.

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Sanded:

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The largest holes took some extra effort. Titebond had leeched into and filled some of them while gluing the top onto the core, and so a Dremel with the finest engraving bit I could find was used to remove the glue and open them up. This was time-consuming because I wanted to make sure the holes maintained a natural look and not a drilled-out look. I also undercut the holes when possible to create something of a dovetail so that the turquoise (once glued) would form a wedge and hold in place.

Then, with these big holes, I filled them and pressed/packed them. Once leveled, I put a bit extra on top to create small heaps. After this I dripped on the medium viscosity CA (the yellow bottle). One problem is that due to the thickness each drop formed a droplet on the pile and then tried to roll off. I put more on, it began to pool and then to soak in. I'd drip a bit more on until no more was soaking in and it was forming a small puddle. I soaked up excess from the edges of the puddle with a paper towel, but stayed clear of the turquoise. It's better to have a little extra CA there then to start pulling turquoise out of the puddle.

After setting up over night, I busted out the random orbital sander and the 150 grit and went to town. It took some effort to sand down the turquoise/CA pile back to level with the top, but it worked and came out nice. I did the first round (all the large/medium holes and most of the small ones) early on in the process of the build...after the shape was cut out but before any real contouring had taken place. You don't have to do this, but I suggest doing the filling long before your doing your final contouring and finish sanding. The extensive sanding required to re-level the fills can end up changing the landscape of the surface a bit. The pics above were very minor fills, so I had no problem going in and doing them using thin CA and fine grit paper. The bass is about 30 minutes of 400 grit away from the first layer of finish...
 
any reason you're waiting such a long time for the CA to cure instead of using an accelerator?

definitely a cool addition for the right basses


I'd also like to note that you should always have a bottle of un-stick-it close by when working with CA. it's been a skin saver for me a few times now when I encountered a void that went clear thru and exited someplace unexpectedly :eek:


all the best,

R
 
Very cool, Paul. Thank you.

Do you find that it's necessary to sand into the wood around the fill to remove "stains" from the CA pool? Or is it just very much on the top surface?

Once in a while it'll soak in, so that's why I did the major inlays early on: I assumed that I may need to re level the surface of the bass just a bit. Overall, with the thin glue and soaking up the excess, it takes very little sanding. With the thicker glue, it takes a lot of sanding, but the puddle of glue creates a raised spot. If you're careful, you won't have to worry about creating craters while sanding.


this is pretty sweet. definitely a new idea in my book.

when you put the glue down, and the top is wet, is that what its going to look like when its finished? because if it had that deep red tone to it, i might just cr@p my pants.

Well, get the diapers ready :D. The top should look very close to that color, as it's very similar to the result I get with Naptha. I'm using a clear oil/urethane blend and the test scraps when very deep and rich while the lighter parts went red and golden.


any reason you're waiting such a long time for the CA to cure instead of using an accelerator?

definitely a cool addition for the right basses


I'd also like to note that you should always have a bottle of un-stick-it close by when working with CA. it's been a skin saver for me a few times now when I encountered a void that went clear thru and exited someplace unexpectedly :eek:


all the best,

R

Reason: I'm cheap :). Actually, I figured I'd take my time with it until I've got my technique fully down, after which I'd definitely go for the accelerator. As for the un-stick-it, agreed. I was very thorough inspecting the bass to make sure there weren't any unexpected pore terminations. Still, when working with CA it's a solid policy.


Very cool idea did you get the tourquoise from grizzly?

Actually, no: the original idea for this came from Greg Savage (who used to post here) and his inlays of jewelry. He gave me a lot of advice a few years ago and sent me a small bag of crushed turquoise. I used very little in this round, and bought turquoise stones which I crushed on my own to have different shades and consistencies.
 
..... the original idea for this came from Greg Savage (who used to post here) and his inlays of jewelry. He gave me a lot of advice a few years ago and sent me a small bag of crushed turquoise. QUOTE]

Basschair....It is so kind of you to give me a mention on the turquoise. I'm still here lurking in the shadows!.....I read this forum a few times a week.... just don't post very much....I went back and checked the date on a P-Bass I did with a bit of turquoise inlay and it was back in 2004! Here is a pic' of her.

Been busy with my artwork full time......I've included a pic' to show you what's been keeping me busy.


All the Best,
Greg Savage
 
..... the original idea for this came from Greg Savage (who used to post here) and his inlays of jewelry. He gave me a lot of advice a few years ago and sent me a small bag of crushed turquoise.

Basschair....It is so kind of you to give me a mention on the turquoise. I'm still here lurking in the shadows!.....I read this forum a few times a week.... just don't post very much....I went back and checked the date on a P-Bass I did with a bit of turquoise inlay and it was back in 2004! Here is a pic' of her.

Been busy with my artwork full time......I've included a pic' to show you what's been keeping me busy.


All the Best,
Greg Savage


Hey Greg,

Good to hear from you! I'm finally putting to use the turquoise you sent to me, with great results. I ended up crushing my own as well with a sledge inside a short cylinder on top of a marble surface. Not as quick as a coffee grinder, but it does the trick :). If you check out my build thread you can see a few more pics of the turquoise inlays: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6425476&posted=1#post6425476

Thanks again for your advice,

Paul
 
Hey Greg,

Good to hear from you! I'm finally putting to use the turquoise you sent to me, with great results. I ended up crushing my own as well with a sledge inside a short cylinder on top of a marble surface. Not as quick as a coffee grinder, but it does the trick :). If you check out my build thread you can see a few more pics of the turquoise inlays: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6425476&posted=1#post6425476

Thanks again for your advice,

Paul

Hey Paul....The bass is lookin' great! Good to hear from ya!

I've been using crushed coral, Lapis, metallic powders and anything and everything imaginable.....But, turquoise still gets the most attention.

Keep up the great work and drop me a "note"(get it!!!??? HA!) now and then. I've got a few Jarrah Burl tops that I'm ready to dive into that will lend themselves well to the inlay process....should look very cool.

Be Well!
Greg
 
Do you think is it right to call this "inlay"? I'd rather call it filling. To me, inlay is that you carve the figure and fill it with something or more likely to cut the same figure from MOP etc. and put it in that carved area.

You're absolutely right: I was pretty darn tired when I put it together and couldn't think of the appropriate term. "Filling" is definitely the more correct term.
 
Can you use water as an accelerator? I remember someone doing this when using CA to narrow down tuner holes. But maybe it's not as applicable here?

It works to harden it quickly, but it turns white too.

When I defretted my bass and coated it with CA I used steam to cure up the parts where it went on too thick, since I was planning to sand them down even anyways, I wasn't worried about the clarity on the high spots, and I was too impatient to let them harden on their own, since the rest of it was already done.

So, as a general purpose accelerator, it's no good. If you're just trying to dry up some sloppy excess so you can sand it off, it's just the ticket.. Breathing a fog onto it works pretty well too.