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Dealing with bar management BS on the night of a gig

jmattbassplaya

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Jan 13, 2008
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So my band played a local joint right off of the Knoxville strip at a place that shall remain unnamed (for now), and, to say the least, we will never be playing there again. Here's a list of some of the wonderful things we encountered that night:

1. The manager/bartender broke out into a verbal fight with the cook in front of everyone at the bar. She cussed him out, threatened to take him to court, and made verbal threats towards him.

2. This same bartender took her top off in the middle of the bar while people (including young kids) were around. Nice lower-back gecko tattoo, btw.

3. She tried to charge a cover at the door even when we had a contract that said 'no cover'. She started cussing out three of my bandmates while they were telling her she was breaching contract. Twenty-three (I counted) people turned away from the door when they found out there was a cover. Some of those people even had the flier we posted around campus that said 'No Cover'.

4. This same bartender was seen doing lines off of the back counter of the bar - not sure of what, but I'm sure it wasn't a pixy stick.

5. She and another bartender talked crap about my band while we were playing, said we sucked, and said we brought no one out (we actually had around 100 people show up just for us - and that was basically everyone at the bar for that night).

6. A man who works there as a chef (different from the guy the lady bartender yelled at) was telling patrons that we stole mics and mic cables from the bar the last time we played there - we didn't.

7. One of the bouncers got drunk and started verbally threatening myself and two of my friends. He even tried to get the other bouncer to come over and 'take care of us' because we were 'lying about being in/with the band'. Luckily, the other bouncer knows me from school and told the drunk to shut it.

8. The lady bartender tried to stiff us money because we apparently brought them in no customers, which is funny because everyone (and I'm not joking when I say everyone) who was at the bar was there for us. That place is a total dive, has horrible bartenders, and is always out of alcohol. No one goes there because it's a good venue or a good place to drink.

9. While we were packing up to leave, she and two of her drunk employees started yelling at my band and our fans to 'get the **** out'. That's smart - cuss out the people trying to give you money for the night + the people who brought you those people.

10. The lady bartender actually grabbed my guitarist and put him on the phone with the owner of the place just to have the guy cuss out my guitarist about doing a 'crappy job' for the night. He also said our inability to bring out paying customers is going to make it hard for him to feed his baby (which, btw, is the illegitimate son of the lady bartender). My guitarist nicely told him to get bent.

Despite all that nonsense, we played the length of time we were suppose to play, we acted like professionals, we got paid what we deserved, and we're never going back there again :)
 
Based on this clubs previous reputation it seems to me like you should have known what you were in for. I'm not saying that it excuses their behavior but some places just need to be "redlined" as far as joints you'll play. It's good that you've done that.

Most of us have had an experience or two like that over the years and it should make you all the more cautious about where you book in the future. I know it did with me. Once I see the bartender or the owner doing lines anywhere in the club that's enough for me to decline any return engagements. Dealing with a drug saturated club manager is a recipe for trouble.
 
I think we've all been on the cast of this sitcom/drama once in our musical journeys. None of us want to be on the rerun either. One of the lessons I learned is that nothing good goes on after the bar closes, and it's best to go home. Looks like they couldn't wait till closing.


Live and learn.
 
Why were you playing there? I would think that any band that can bring in 100 people could do better, and that doesn't count the 23 you say walked away.

Good question. That bar is relatively new - I think it opened less than 8 months ago - and it started off as a decent place. That said, they are kinda off the beaten path and they never got a lot of money to begin with. I'm sure they're beginning to get desperate, and it shows in their behavior. The gig was also booked about two months ago, which is before we started to make it small around here, and before they started acting like crazies.
 
I would love to hear the other side of this story. The way you state it, you knew exactly what this bar was about, why did you gig there in the first place?

Possible scenarios: (just to play devils advocate :D)

1. Maybe the cook did something illegal and warranting legal action, its their dispute not yours
2. Most bars I know don't allow kids (you said this was a dive bar, not a club) so maybe that is appropriate / expected behavior here. Also, college bar = this stuff happens and is usually applauded
3. Miscommunication much? But sounds like it blew up on the spot, and neither party attempted civil conversation
4. Speculation and hearsay
5. Maybe this was true, if you already looked at this gig as a POS before stepping foot inside
6. Another speculation and hearsay which I doubt, because if he did think that, then why wouldn't he: A. not book you again or B. take some action? If they cared they would have taken it up with you, not some random patron
7. Of course, the bouncer was drunk. Maybe he was doing his job and bouncing? Everyone says they're with the band when bouncers start pushing them around. Unless you have an instrument in your hands, they aren't gonna believe you.
8. Ridiculously biased statement. Somehow I doubt 100% of the people were there for your band. If the things you say here are true, I have to ask again, why'd you book a crap bar for your friends to come to?
9. Sounds like you were being dicks. Maybe this was warranted
10. If you were giving this woman as hard a time all night as you said, why wouldn't she called the owner?

So maybe everything you said is true, which all I can say then is you brought it upon yourselves. But from an observer reading your rant, I really doubt that you guys were the perfect professional quality band they paid for.

If you showed up, played the gig, and got paid in full, why are you complaining? You're not Conan O'Brien's band, you're in the trenches with the rest of us.

**Only bothered posting cuz I see it all the time and the sooner you get used to it the happier you'll be in life
 
Good question. That bar is relatively new - I think it opened less than 8 months ago - and it started off as a decent place. That said, they are kinda off the beaten path and they never got a lot of money to begin with. I'm sure they're beginning to get desperate, and it shows in their behavior. The gig was also booked about two months ago, which is before we started to make it small around here, and before they started acting like crazies.

Live and Learn. Everybody has their horror stories. At least you got paid!
 
So maybe everything you said is true, which all I can say then is you brought it upon yourselves. But from an observer reading your rant, I really doubt that you guys were the perfect professional quality band they paid for.

If you showed up, played the gig, and got paid in full, why are you complaining? You're not Conan O'Brien's band, you're in the trenches with the rest of us.

**Only bothered posting cuz I see it all the time and the sooner you get used to it the happier you'll be in life

OUCH. this is a tough crowd!!
 
OUCH. this is a tough crowd!!

Not trying to be, but as I read through the whole rant the BS meter was nearing the red zone.

Played a gig in a dive bar known for running out of alcohol in a college town, where 100% of the patrons were our friends and the coke-addled manager's baby mama took her shirt off for the children in the audience to see, even though they hated our music and thought we were thieves. And every employee of the bar was drunk and violent. Then they yelled at us to get the f*** out, but not before paying us in full.

Umm....fishy?
 
Not trying to be, but as I read through the whole rant the BS meter was nearing the red zone.

Played a gig in a dive bar known for running out of alcohol in a college town, where 100% of the patrons were our friends and the coke-addled manager's baby mama took her shirt off for the children in the audience to see, even though they hated our music and thought we were thieves. And every employee of the bar was drunk and violent. Then they yelled at us to get the f*** out, but not before paying us in full.

Umm....fishy?

Sorry you think it sounds fishy, but let me ask you what would I gain from lying to a bunch of strangers on the Internet? :eyebrow: I'm simply sharing my Halloween weekend gig horror story. Also, you should read my last post, as it does clear up some details. The bar wasn't bad when it first opened, and we have had a fairly decent relationship with them up until this last gig. That said, they've been quickly going to the dumps, and we apparently caught them on a bad night.

My only guess as to why they were more hostile towards us seemingly out of nowhere because my guitarist and drummer play in another band that played there not too long ago, and supposedly it didn't go down too well. Perhaps that had something to do with their personal dealings with us. And just FYI, my band is composed of guys who take both themselves and their art as seriously and as professionally as possible. I'd prefer someone who doesn't know us not to question our character or honesty without actually knowing us. Kthanks.
 
What kind of bar has young kids at it? If they were 21 I see absolutely no problem here, unless she was nasty.

It was right after the UT game let out. I think they were in there to use the bathroom with their parents. Also, have you never been to a bar and grill that is family oriented before a certain time and then 18 or 21 and up after a certain hour?

I'm not sure why there's so much doubt about my story.