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Justified Hype

The following is IMO... and feel free to ask questions... happy reading...

NB: Yes... I have played the Japanese Yamaha Super BB 2024x and the Yamaha BB 1024x (which I now own... I'll post pics soon)...


Justified Hype

In 2010, Yamaha announced the resurrection of an iconic 80s instrument, the BB or ‘Broad Bass’. These hardy Japanese monsters graced the hands of great session players like Nathan East and other band-orientated notables including Billy Sheehan, Paul McCartney and Tony Kanal. The BB became a pet project for Yamaha long before 2010 and endorsee-artist input was used extensively throughout the development period (according to Yamaha’s YouTube channel, representatives at NAMM 2010/2011 and statements made on their website).

Listen here (YouTube - yamahacorporation's Channel - and search BB Bass) to the likes of Lee Sklar, Nathan East, James Lomenzo, Marco Mendoza and Glenn Hughes sing the praises of these basses and despite the fact that most will think…

“Well, the check is in the mail… not to mention the free bass; and, while we’re on the subject, doesn’t Lee Sklar advocate the sheer brilliance of Dingwall basses? Oh, and don’t get me started about James Lomenzo’s rampant endorsement jumping”…

All valid points but your rational scepticism is better off left in check, at least until this bass is actually in your funky paws.

Unfortunately, Yamaha’s advertorial hype failed to align with production or availability timelines and while curious bassists spied Michael Anthony and Justin Meldal-Johnson pumping out the low-end on a range of prototype ‘Super BBs’ many in the bass community were left wondering what’s the hold up?

The company’s next blunder occurred at price-point… Even Justin Meldal-Johnsen was quick to point out, in late 2009, (in reference to the Prototype he’d gigged with Nine Inch Nails) “I will say that the one I’m playing (of which I know has a ‘production’ duplicate) is NOT budget minded”. Rumour regarding price spiralled and many endorsees were quick to confirm such speculation. Perhaps, in their infinite wisdom, the Yamaha marketing team firmly believed that in order to sell a high-end passive P/J bass, to a market swamped by US built counterparts, produced largely by the big ‘F’ they would need to ensure that these basses were highly sort after yet slightly out of reach; certainly, Dennis Webster’s (Yamaha Marketing Manager) rhetoric supports such assumptions… “These basses are the quintessential ultra high-end player’s instruments”.

“So, how much do they actually cost?”… Well, for the most part this seems, oddly enough, to be a question of geography rather than economy. In Australia the Japanese built 2024, 2025, 2024x and 2025x BB basses retail for a wallet bashing RRP $5400, the Indonesian duplicates 1024, 1025, 1024x and 1025x instruments are priced from RRP $1499 and the entry level, featureless look-a-likes 424, 425, 424x and 425x axes range from RRP $500 – 700 (all figures in AUD).

Now for Yamaha’s next fumble, a matter of distinction; Yamaha have produced THREE new BB lines and at face value they all look the same (cosmetically), probably not ideal when you’re selling to a somewhat image driven commercial market. Let’s be honest, even the least egotistical of bassist enjoys showing off their new modified, upgraded, ‘slightly better than yours’ battle axe.

It’s probably best to separate the boys from the men, that being said, let’s evaluate…
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Having had a chance to A-B the 2000 Japanese built series and the Indonesian 1000 series brought to the fore a less than impressive, though pleasantly surprising revelation. Despite the missing A.R.E. and I.R.A. (read about them here - [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]) technologies in the Indonesian line, Yamaha have reaffirmed their reputation as builders of fine, affordable basses.

The phrase ‘sucks the doors off’ is rarely seen in bass guitar reviews and probably with good cause but in this instance these words seem some how appropriate, thus, The Yamaha BB1024x ‘sucks the doors off’ all other passive P/J basses in its price range, in fact, this bass gives instruments twice the price a serious run for their money. Three key factors account for the power and performance of this bass: construction, resonance and tone.
In the case of the 1024x and its series siblings, the build techniques are consistent with their Japanese counter parts; constructed of a three-piece Alder body with a spline joint, the pickups and bridge are all mounted on the one piece of timber enhancing resonance and as quasi-scientific or spurious as these enhancements seem, in the flesh the unique three-piece construction makes one hell of an audible difference. A-B your favourite passive P/J (USA and custom shop models inclusive) against the 1024x BB and you’ll be amazed. The resonance of this bass brings life to Nigel Tufnel’s expression “listen to the sustain… you can go and have a bite and that’d still be going ah”. The notes fly from the fingerboard, holding sound and strong for a phenomenal length of time. It seems strange to note the musicality of an instrument but the integrity and sonic balance in this instance is something to marvel.

In terms of pickups, the Yamaha BB 1024x makes use of precision style split blade alnico magnets in the front and a ceramic single blade (jazz) pickup at the bridge (again, the same can be found in the Japanese ‘Super BBs’). Nathan East reveals, “they (Yamaha artists and designers) tried a lot of pickups” until they settled on the pair designed by YASH (Yamaha Artist Service Hollywood) and the time was well spent. This P/J is incredibly hot, the output level destroys the average punch of passive pickups and if not for the ‘vintage vibe’, you’d be forgiven for mistaking the sound for an active bass. From a less adoring standpoint it would be safe to say that the pickups may be a little bright for some player’s tastes.

Another factor for review is the quarter-sawn five-piece neck (it’s important to note – that this is the only quality feature found in the entry level 400 series); its one solid piece of lumber and adds, once again, more integrity to the build quality of the BB bass. The neck is a little ‘chunky’ but far from excessively so, it might be likened to a Stingray or heavy set Precision and the finish is reminiscent of Ernie/Ball Music Man instruments; not quite satin, just a simple natural finish. The nickel-silver nut and mother of pearl inlays are really just icing on the cake.

There are far too many incredible features to mention, so indulge the hype and pickup a Yamaha BB 1024x today…
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I played a BB2000 for 25 years and when I went to 5 strings the only thing that was even close, feel wise was a modulus q5

I wish these new bb's would hit the states at a reasonable price. I would love to have a 5 string that played and sounded like my old bb2000
 
Likely will... and likely will affect the availability if not price also.

Personally, I just do not see these getting enough love and mass use to become 'popular' compared to established brands/models in the same projected price range.

OP does sound like a promotional advertisement. Seemed pretty blatant to me as I read it and last line put a stake in it.

"There are far too many incredible features to mention, so indulge the hype and pickup a Yamaha BB 1024x today…"


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Yamaha planted the the op 2 years ago just so he could put this "ad" on here now. Evil geniuses .. bwaahaha bwaahaha bwaaha..cough..cough..cough....

It's funny how everyday there is new posts similar to this one about Fenders and Squiers and people go gaga over them but mention your appreciation for an "off" brand and people assume you're some kind of corporate shill.

I had a BB2000 and it was one of my favorite basses, wish I still had it. Believe it or not I was not payed to say that.
 
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Sometimes it does seem like Yamaha,with their "marketing", is trying as hard as they can to NOT sell basses.

That said, I'm sure the top of the line Japan Custom Shop models are as nice as any bass out there, and worth the price.

I have GAS for a new 424 myself. :)
 
I can see the 1024x doing pretty well over here in the US. I think this bass would be worth the asking price of around 800 bucks. But the 2500 price tag on the 2024x is a bit excessive if you ask me. I am not sure how the ARE and IRE stuff they are doing could be worth twice as much as ones with out that. I sure would like to A\B the 2024 and 1024 I'd bet the human could not really tell a difference. Sure some fancy equiptment that made those pretty graphs might be able to tell a difference but seriously could you tell in a live situation. Which is where most of us will be using them. That being said I love my 79 BB1000 and would love to get my hands on a new 1024x. We shall see.
 
Peculiar that a few folks would have snide remarks for someone who just took a fair amount of their personal time to give us all a little write up.

I played the 424X version of this last week in my local store (Tony's Musicbox) through a BA115. I'm no pro, but I know when I pick up that type of bass that actually makes me sound better than I really am. The notes DO jump off the board, and the tone for me was instant love. The open notes were solid, thick and constant with NO wavering overtones. The pickups were punchy and were almost active sounding. It looks gorgeous and felt very comfortable right off. I fell for the thing right there, and this is the base model, ringing in at $449 + tax CND. I asked for the 1024X's cost with the heavier bridge, cammed saddles, body splines, and new Alnico/ceramic pickup design = $870 + tax CND.

A few days later I picked up my Ibanez ATK750ka after a nut job and set-up, and A-B it with the 424X through the same Ampeg combo. Price compare the ATK750 was $640 shipped. Two different sounding basses, and the ATK is active, but they felt on par with one another as far as solid hunks-o-bass and build quality goes. The Yami is definitely more vintage and Fender P like, where the ATK is more akin to a Stingray and active Jazz (and can also approach a P bass and Thunderbird sound as well). With Dave Palmer's excellent setup the two both played like butter, and though I am very content with my ATK750ka... but man, I would own an antique white 1024X in a second. Maybe I'll just get roaring drunk and order one!

I doubt if this helps anyone's consideration of this bass, but I wanted to scribble down the effect this bass design had on me - and I am certainly not endorsed by anyone, nor writing an ad - nor give a shite if anyone fell asleep after the third line. ;)
 
Hi from France.
Here is my story...

Having read your good review of the Yamaha 1024x and also after having seen that many of the finest french pro bass player are using the latest yamaha bb 2024x and 2025x I decicided to buy a BB 1024x.

I couldn't find one in a local music store so I ordered one.At first look the bass seemed in perfect condition, quality seal and test approval ok.

Plugged in, no problem except fret buzz nearly on each open string...so I decide to bring my longly expected and beloved BB to an experienced and renowned luthier in Belgium.

After two visits and several attempts for tuning the bass the sad truth appears : unstable neck !!!

What a disappointment...I had to send it back and after hesitation asked for money back instead od an exchange fearing the same thing could happen again...

After that one question is haunting my brain : how a company with such a serious reputation as Yamaha can make so poor controls on wood quality for a bass costing more than 1000€???

What do they call quality seal of approval??? an approximate test of 20 seconds in a noisy indonesian factory???

Or perhaps am I the less lucky yamaha bb 1024X buyer?:crying:

The worst fact is that this could have occured even if I had the chance to try the bass before...
 
For those who are interested, Chris Squire recorded a song with a Yamaha BB2024 (x or not I don't know). Here is the article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-ragogna/making-a-squackett-conver_b_1636353.html
OK we don't know about the model, but at the time the song was made Yamaha was sending the new BB2024 to players like Glenn Hughes, Lee Sklar, James Lomenzo, Marco Mendoza, Nathan East, etc. We don't know either if it is a BB2024 but I don't see Yamaha sending a BB424 to Mr Squire so I believe it is a BB2024. Here is the song:
http://youtu.be/ZOX4mtuV53g