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Long Awaited Epoxy Photo Tutorial

Jan 6, 2005
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This is the first time I have attempted to work with epoxy on a fretless bass. I have done this once before a few years back with polyurethane and it did not give me the results I was looking for. Hopefully the System 3 epoxy method will be a success, so far it seems to be ok.

EDDELETES023.jpg


The first thing that I did to the bass was take out the nut. This turned out to be harder than expected, the nut was made out of soft plastic and chipped away as I tried to coax it out. I was left with a badly damaged nut that I had to use a Dremel disc style bit to remove the rest of the nut. After the dremmel, the nut came out cleanly, without chipping any of the surrounding wood.

EDDELETES025.jpg


The next thing that I did, was take 80, 120, 160, and 220 sand paper to the fret board and lightly sanded smooth any imperfections. I did not go balls to the wall sanding, nothing extreme enough to change the radius or anything of the sort.

EDDELETES026.jpg


After that I took a piece of painters tape and taped off the nut slot. You definitely do not want to get epoxy into the slot unless you want problems farther down the road.

EDDELETES028.jpg


The next precaution I took was to tape up the whole back of the neck, except the headstock. I used packing tape, which I read works better than painter tape, because I guess with the painters tape, the epoxy can bleed through a bit. Just have the edge of the tape run along the edge of the fret board and work slowly to make sure it stays perpendicular.

FRETLESSPROJECT010.jpg


Next, I took regular mineral spirits that you can get at the hardware store, put it on a lint free rag, and cleaned the fret board of any oil and dust that might still be on there. Any oil in the wood will hinder the epoxy's bond to the wood.

FRETLESSPROJECT011.jpg


As you can see, there was some dust that needed removing.

FRETLESSPROJECT012.jpg


While the mineral spirits are evaporating out of the wood, you can start to measure out Part A of the epoxy.

FRETLESSPROJECT014.jpg


FRETLESSPROJECT015.jpg


I used tablespoons, but any other precise measuring device should be fine, just make sure not to use your wife or moms best kitchen stuff. I put 6 tablespoons of Part A into a Tupperware container. After I had the 6 tablespoons of epoxy in the Tupperware I realized this is going to be a bit too much for the amount I will be working with. Next coat I will most likely use 2 tablespoons of Part A. After you have precisely measured out you part A, you are ready to add Part B, which is hardener. The System Three Mirror coat calls for a 2:1 ratio. So since I used an unnecessary 6 tablespoons of Part A, I will need to add 3 tablespoons of part B. I recommend using a different tablespoon than the one you for part A, or cleaning it off with mineral spirits and a clean rag.

FRETLESSPROJECT017.jpg


After your two parts of the epoxy are in the container, you will want to mix them together thoroughly, but avoiding getting air bubbles into the mix. I used a rubber spatula to mix.

FRETLESSPROJECT018.jpg


After a good mixing, it should look similar to this.

FRETLESSPROJECT019.jpg


Now that the mineral spirits have evaporated and dust has been taken off your fret board will look like this and it is ready to have the mixed epoxy applied to it..

FRETLESSPROJECT020.jpg


Now that everything is prepared, you are ready for coating the fret board. I used a foam brush. Just dip the tip of the brush into the epoxy and start coating the fret board. I started by the nut slot and moved down. If you look at the coating with light reflecting off it, you will notice craters where the epoxy did not bond to the wood. Take your brush and mash it into these spots to make sure it sticks. Try not to put too many strokes of epoxy on, the more times you brush over the more bubbles you will get.

FRETLESSPROJECT021.jpg


After you have taken care of all your craters (some small ones will stay regardless of mashing in my experience) go over the fret board with the brush in one clean sweep at an even pressure along the entire length.

FRETLESSPROJECT022.jpg


Your fret board should look like this now. Don't worry about epoxy dripping off the sides, if you have taped the neck correctly, you should have no problem. Also, having a plastic sheet under your work space should make clean up easier.

FRETLESSPROJECT023.jpg


30 minutes after your final brush stroke, come back to your neck, which will still be wet, and squeegee off all of the excess epoxy. I tore my squeegee off of a winter window scraper. I'm sure many things can be used for this procedure, but this is just what I had laying around the house. I have heard of people using credit cards, but I just used a rubber squeegee because System Three says use a squeegee, not a credit card.

FRETLESSPROJECT028.jpg


Again, I worked from the nut to the opposite end.

FRETLESSPROJECT029.jpg


Now, your first coat of epoxy is ready to sit in a room where the vents and windows are closed and there will not be a lot of traffic. You want to keep dust to a minimum because any dust that settles on the epoxy is going to mean more sanding and more room for error later on.

FRETLESSPROJECT031.jpg
 
Mark, i sent you the PM, and sorry about having just links for the pics, i am not a cool member that paid money, so i cant add tons of huge pictures, unless someone can tell me how to add them to an HTML script.
 
This is the first time I have attempted to work with epoxy on a fretless bass. I have done this once before a few years back with polyurethane and it did not give me the results I was looking for. Hopefully the System 3 epoxy method will be a success, so far it seems to be ok.

EDDELETES023.jpg


The first thing that I did to the bass was take out the nut. This turned out to be harder than expected, the nut was made out of soft plastic and chipped away as I tried to coax it out. I was left with a badly damaged nut that I had to use a Dremel disc style bit to remove the rest of the nut. After the dremmel, the nut came out cleanly, without chipping any of the surrounding wood.

EDDELETES025.jpg


The next thing that I did, was take 80, 120, 160, and 220 sand paper to the fret board and lightly sanded smooth any imperfections. I did not go balls to the wall sanding, nothing extreme enough to change the radius or anything of the sort.

EDDELETES026.jpg


After that I took a piece of painters tape and taped off the nut slot. You definitely do not want to get epoxy into the slot unless you want problems farther down the road.

EDDELETES028.jpg


The next precaution I took was to tape up the whole back of the neck, except the headstock. I used packing tape, which I read works better than painter tape, because I guess with the painters tape, the epoxy can bleed through a bit. Just have the edge of the tape run along the edge of the fret board and work slowly to make sure it stays perpendicular.

FRETLESSPROJECT010.jpg


Next, I took regular mineral spirits that you can get at the hardware store, put it on a lint free rag, and cleaned the fret board of any oil and dust that might still be on there. Any oil in the wood will hinder the epoxy's bond to the wood.

FRETLESSPROJECT011.jpg


As you can see, there was some dust that needed removing.

FRETLESSPROJECT012.jpg


While the mineral spirits are evaporating out of the wood, you can start to measure out Part A of the epoxy.

FRETLESSPROJECT014.jpg


FRETLESSPROJECT015.jpg


I used tablespoons, but any other precise measuring device should be fine, just make sure not to use your wife or moms best kitchen stuff. I put 6 tablespoons of Part A into a Tupperware container. After I had the 6 tablespoons of epoxy in the Tupperware I realized this is going to be a bit too much for the amount I will be working with. Next coat I will most likely use 2 tablespoons of Part A. After you have precisely measured out you part A, you are ready to add Part B, which is hardener. The System Three Mirror coat calls for a 2:1 ratio. So since I used an unnecessary 6 tablespoons of Part A, I will need to add 3 tablespoons of part B. I recommend using a different tablespoon than the one you for part A, or cleaning it off with mineral spirits and a clean rag.

FRETLESSPROJECT017.jpg


After your two parts of the epoxy are in the container, you will want to mix them together thoroughly, but avoiding getting air bubbles into the mix. I used a rubber spatula to mix.

FRETLESSPROJECT018.jpg


After a good mixing, it should look similar to this.

FRETLESSPROJECT019.jpg


Now that the mineral spirits have evaporated and dust has been taken off your fret board will look like this and it is ready to have the mixed epoxy applied to it..

FRETLESSPROJECT020.jpg


Now that everything is prepared, you are ready for coating the fret board. I used a foam brush. Just dip the tip of the brush into the epoxy and start coating the fret board. I started by the nut slot and moved down. If you look at the coating with light reflecting off it, you will notice craters where the epoxy did not bond to the wood. Take your brush and mash it into these spots to make sure it sticks. Try not to put too many strokes of epoxy on, the more times you brush over the more bubbles you will get.

FRETLESSPROJECT021.jpg


After you have taken care of all your craters (some small ones will stay regardless of mashing in my experience) go over the fret board with the brush in one clean sweep at an even pressure along the entire length.

FRETLESSPROJECT022.jpg


Your fret board should look like this now. Don't worry about epoxy dripping off the sides, if you have taped the neck correctly, you should have no problem. Also, having a plastic sheet under your work space should make clean up easier.

FRETLESSPROJECT023.jpg


30 minutes after your final brush stroke, come back to your neck, which will still be wet, and squeegee off all of the excess epoxy. I tore my squeegee off of a winter window scraper. I'm sure many things can be used for this procedure, but this is just what I had laying around the house. I have heard of people using credit cards, but I just used a rubber squeegee because System Three says use a squeegee, not a credit card.

FRETLESSPROJECT028.jpg


Again, I worked from the nut to the opposite end.

FRETLESSPROJECT029.jpg


Now, your first coat of epoxy is ready to sit in a room where the vents and windows are closed and there will not be a lot of traffic. You want to keep dust to a minimum because any dust that settles on the epoxy is going to mean more sanding and more room for error later on.

FRETLESSPROJECT031.jpg





There ya go
 
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tjclem said:
why would you squeege it off?
For the first coat, you want to force it into the pores. Rosewood has some deep ones. If you scrape, you're left with a level fretboard (wood plus epoxy filling in the gaps). The next coat you do will be nice and glassy, and likely won't require squeegie-ing - just sanding.
 
deathbloomslife said:
How many coats of the epoxy should you use to get a nice playing surface???

-ryan-
From what ive read, it takes about 5. Give or take.

Takeout, from the research i have done this is what it says to do. I hope it doesnt chip, but i guess i will find out shortly.
 
There were 2 main resources. First is the talkbass seach function, which i read about every thread there is on how to epoxy a bass. Second was information on System Three's website, which they have alot of. Pretty much i just followed the directions verbatum that i got with my epoxy bottles. With maple the only thing i can think of that might interfere is that usually maple fretboards have some sort of laquer or shellack on them. You will most likely need to remove this before you epoxy, but i am really not sure, since i have never done this before. And if you do remove the coating, you have to be careful to keep your radius, and not oversand spots. Again, this is just what i assume you should do, i am simply making an educated guess that might be incorrect. Nateo did an epoxy on a maple fretboard, he might have some better insight into your question.
 
Vorago said:
Great work, the only thing that doesn't look like a good idea is measuring off the epoxy with spoons above your bass!

Its just an illusion, i was measuring close to the bass, but farther foreward.

tjclem said:
You didn't have to re-radius the bass when you were done.?....t

I was going to re-radius the bass, but after i finished the polishing and whatnot, the bass played fine and i feel it didnt need it.

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fretboard still has some sheen to it.

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All i need now for the bass is 2 knobs.

Here is what i did to the bass.

-Sanded headstock, restained and refinished.
-Expoxy treatment
-Push/Push series paralell switch
-Put in Dimarzio model J pickups, with new pots and wiring
-made the wooden pickguard
-installed a new nut
-installed threaded inserts