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Berg NV 425 vs. Mesa Diesel 215

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My older Mesa Diesel 215 is a time-tested bar room brawler. I like its meaty tone and don’t mind the weight (it’s a lot lighter than the two 4x10s I was carting around previously). My only real gripe has been the power handling, which at only 400 watts makes it a little loose at high volume. Also, I wouldn’t mind more deep lows and sparkle to enhance my occasional thumps and slaps.

So I came across a NV425 in the TB classifieds and, in a moment of weakness, bought it! It has a 15” and three 10”s in a sealed cabinet. It arrived today and I set it up side-by-side with the Mesa to do a taste test in the garage. I used my ’71 Precision and ’97 Deluxe Jazz (active), both 4–stringers tuned down a half-step, wearing roundwounds. Both cabs were powered by my GK 1001RB. I left the master at 10, eq mostly flat, and played with volume, boost, and contour (a little).

The Berg is a couple inches shorter and a couple inches shallower, so I was a little worried about it keeping up. But playing the Precision I quickly got into a finger funk groove – yummy sweet sounds that made me want to play. Smooth with a nice balance. Switching to the Mesa – whoa – this old boy is a lot louder! At the setting I was using with the Berg the Mesa pounded me with low-mids, probably in the 100-250 hz range that give it a huge sound. It also has tremendous cut in the treble (high-mids for you hi-fi guys;)). Solo, it’s a little rough sounding, as any careless fingerwork translates into clank. And pushing up the bass eq or volume too far translates into two 15” farts! :o You won’t hear a cab like this on the smooth jazz station but it sure cuts nicely in a rock or blues setting. :cool:

Back to the Berg - cranked up the volume switched to the Jazz. It’s much smoother and handles more power. With master at 10 and the volume at 5 it got damn loud without farting. :hyper: It sounds a bit deeper than the Mesa (surprising considering the smaller size of the cab). Or is that just that the low mids of the Mesa dominate so much? Hard to tell but the slap sound is better on the Berg - mainly due to less clank and clutter in the mids. Niether cab does a whole lot below 40 hz. Tuning down to a low C sharp (as low as I go) got me mostly overtones out of both cabs, maybe a little deeper with the Berg, moving more air with the Mesa. Counter-intuitively, the two 15”s of the Mesa’s rival (or surpass) the Bergs in treble output. Those EVM 15Ls really rip. For all-out rock, which I don’t do much of anymore, the Mesa might have a better tone. With the 400 watt drivers I would bet on it.

Out of curiosity I played with the EQ trying to get the Berg to sound like the Mesa but it wouldn’t. They are too different in the low-mids. The 425 is more versatile and imparts less “character”. The Mesa is what it is.

Overall, in the universe of bass cabinets these two are not too far apart. Both are larger old school cabs that emphasize the low-mids and I like them both, a lot. The NV is smoother and can get quite loud without breaking up if you have enough power. The Mesa is a rip-roaring rock and blues machine but is somewhat limited in volume. My current band plays blues, classic R&B, soul, rock, and some funk. It’ll be interesting to see how the Berg does in the band setting. I’m guessing it will get the nod over the Mesa because of its versatility and power handling. But I’ll wait until after a few gigs to decide. The Mesa’s rugged tone may prevail. Stay tuned.
 
I have an NV425 and I used to own a Road Ready 2x15. I agree with most of what you said, although I had to sell the Mesa to get the Berg so I couldn't A/B them.

I used a number of solid state heads with the Mesa until I got a vintage SVT. Then, I thought the Mesa was really smoothed out by the tubes, UNTIL I got the Berg, very darn smooth, to me. I am not a tweeter kind of guy and the Mesa has definitely won the higher freq's and the super lower ones, but where it counts the Berg wins for me. Way nicer sound with a band and a Berg NV.
 
I believe the Mesa Diesel 215 came out in two versions - 400 watt and 800 watt, so in view of your comments it would be interesting to use an 800 watt version to compare. I would expect the tone to be similar but the 800 watt to get louder without farting. Nedless to say, I have a Road Ready 215 800 watt cabinet (with 2 400 watt EVs).
 
I have an NV425 and I used to own a Road Ready 2x15. I agree with most of what you said, although I had to sell the Mesa to get the Berg so I couldn't A/B them.

I used a number of solid state heads with the Mesa until I got a vintage SVT. Then, I thought the Mesa was really smoothed out by the tubes, UNTIL I got the Berg, very darn smooth, to me. I am not a tweeter kind of guy and the Mesa has definitely won the higher freq's and the super lower ones, but where it counts the Berg wins for me. Way nicer sound with a band and a Berg NV.

I guess the only item we disagree on is which goes deeper. I think the 425 goes a bit lower but there's not a lot of output down there. The Mesa has a lot more low end output but not so low. Apples and oranges I guess. They are both pretty gutsy cabinets. I'm looking forward to hearing the 425 with the band.
 
I believe the Mesa Diesel 215 came out in two versions - 400 watt and 800 watt, so in view of your comments it would be interesting to use an 800 watt version to compare. I would expect the tone to be similar but the 800 watt to get louder without farting. Nedless to say, I have a Road Ready 215 800 watt cabinet (with 2 400 watt EVs).

I've heard that the 800 watt version of this cab is a monster. I'm considering getting the 200 watt 15Ls reconed to be 400-watters. If I do that I'll be able to do more of a fair comparison with the NV. Unfortunately the recones cost $95 a piece and I just bought a Bergantino...
 
I have the 800 watt version of the Mesa cab. It's punishingly loud. Break up? Non-existant. Extremely efficient as well. Though it gets ridiculous when you pump 7-800 watts in to it, most gigs I have my QSC barely idling into it. It sounds particularly sweet with my Avatar 210 sitting on top it---the tweeter in the avatar really opens up the high end. I've been thinking about wiring up a detachable tweeter with an L-pad.
 
Thanks Soulfinger. Now I'm thinking I need to recone those EVs to 400 watts.

Speaking of overkill, I hooked up both cabinets last night. The 1001RBII powering the Berg and my old 400RB (200 watts into 4 ohms) powering the Mesa. The tone was huge! But not unmanageable. I really like the effortless low end you get out of a wall of speakers (3x15 + 3x10):D.

Here's the interesting thing. With levels set the same on both heads (700 watts vs. 200 watts) the 400RB/Mesa was louder! To get relatively equal volumes I ended up with the 1001RB master at 10 and the 400RB/Mesa master at 5 (all other levels the same). Based on this I'd guess the Mesa is at least 6 db more efficient at the relevant frequencies.

Not to dis the NV. These days power is cheap and light so the goal is tone.
 
Nice cab comparison, my findings with the two same cabs were pretty close to yours. I might have prefered the Mesa if I just wanted to rock out and wanted that edge in the high mids. And yep, the EV's in the Diesel are way more efficient than the Berg. But now I have a DB728 amp so the medium efficiency of the Berg is not an issue, it plays way louder than my needs require.

Overall I think the Berg is more versatile, has a smoother response, almost sounds what I'd consider hi-fi, at least compared to the Mesa. And to my ears it definitely has more weight in the lows. I could see that some players who like the edge of the Mesa might find the Berg a bit on the polite side. FWIW, I only play a 4 string, so I can't comment on how the NV425 responds below an E. I'm using the NV425 elevated about a foot on a milk crate; having the 10's closer to ear level gives more pitch definition.
 
Here's the interesting thing. With levels set the same on both heads (700 watts vs. 200 watts) the 400RB/Mesa was louder! To get relatively equal volumes I ended up with the 1001RB master at 10 and the 400RB/Mesa master at 5 (all other levels the same). Based on this I'd guess the Mesa is at least 6 db more efficient at the relevant frequencies.

Not necessarily, the difference may be between tube watts and solid state watts. :)
 
Not necessarily, the difference may be between tube watts and solid state watts. :)

The 1001RBII and the 400RB are both solid state heads. I'm not saying that their power ratings were measured the exact same way since the 400 is 10-20 years older. But since they are both made by the same manufacturer there ought to be some consistency.
 
Ok, here's my first gig report. I played a couple smallish clubs this weekend without PA support. Started out with my '71 Precision through the Trace dual compressor, and 1001RBII. Sounded big and smooth with a nice but somewhat muted top end - overall killer tone! With the Mesa 2x15 I usually roll of the tone on the Precision and sometimes on the amp too but with the NV it was different. The high end of the Precision sounded so sweet I ended up with the tone all the way up and GK's treble on about 1:00-2:00! :eek: This may be the first time I've ever run with so much treble. I guess you could say the NV425 is a "darker" cab than most. But that's not really all there is to it. It has some character too. When I switched over to the Jazz bass I was really suprised. It's an active bass with new roundwounds on it (as opposed to the older rounds on the P). I had the EQ on the Jazz flat and the jazz was muddier than the Precision. :confused: That's something new! I really don't understand this (I should check the battery in that thing).

During the break the guitarist commented on how great the Precision sounded and how it was clearer than the Jazz. This is from a guy I've been playing with for 10 years with countless rigs and basses and I can't remember him commenting on any of them before.

So I went back to the Precision and took off the compression. Still nice and firm in the lows. Hmmm this cab is rally growing on me. I should mention that I've been going back and forth between Precisions and Jazzes for years. I prefer the tone and feel of Ps but Jazzes seem to work better in a live setting.

On Saturday I played the entire night on the Precision. Similar smaller roadhouse/dive, no PA, but this time elbow to elbow packed with a bachelorette party (!). The full house required more volume so I pushed the 1001RBII as hard as I ever have: volume 11:00, boost 9:00, master maxed. The GK was running hot by the end of the night. At this setting the Mesa would have been very, very, loud (or blown). But the Berg was smooth and sweet. And I was starting to wish I had more power.

The Precision with this Berg is a wonderful thing. Even slapping, with the GK contour on 11:00, the P was king. :bassist::bassist::bassist:

Is this the end to my gas? Not hardly. Now I want a bigger head, maybe a Mesa 400+. But at least I might be able to part with my Jazz bass to help pay for it. But first I'd better change that battery...

Is this the end of the Diesel for me? I don't think so. For in-your-face gutsiness it can't be beat. But it will be getting less stage time.