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The Aliens have landed with new technology for us...

Jun 24, 2006
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Disclosures
Endorsing Artist: MTD basses and strings; Bergantino Amps & Cabs
and his name is Jim Bergantino.

I just got the Berg IP112ER stack that I've been lusting at for two or more years. I've only ever tried them out briefly in a very bad-sounding music store, where everything rattles and the salesman is hanging over you panting and drooling like a teenager on his first date. I really didn't think it would be that much better than the passive Berg stack powered by the Eden WT800B in bridged mono; couldn't possibly be louder, or punchier, or sound that much better...could it?

Boy, was I wrong...totally wrong!

This speaker system crashed with the aliens at Roswell in the 40's, and the US government's been sitting on the technology ever since; Obama finally decided it was time! Previous administrations didn't want it to get out, 'cause they knew, eventually, that no company would ever sell a bass amp ever again once the word had spread. This thing is just frightening. It's about as loud as 2 Edens, bridged mono (if that's 1100 watts at 4 ohms, this thing's about 3,000), and you could NEVER eq in this kind of sound, not with a refrigerator-sized rack of the finest Klark-Techniks. Smooth, rich, deep, crispy, punchy as ****, and the attack is so fast, I can hear harmonics on the string as I lift my left-hand finger off; I've only ever heard that in the finest studios, with the finest equipment. And it's DEAD silent - no noise at all; nothing; nada. No hiss, no hum; scarey quiet. He should put a little light on the front to remind you that it's on, like they do on Rolls-Royce dashboards (to remind you that the engine is on). I'm currently using it with an Aguilar DB680 pre that I've borrowed temporarily (very, very nice), but I'm still auditioning channel strips and pre's.

I've heard these same speakers with the Markbass LMII, which sounds very good, but - sorry. Not in the same league, not from the same century; not even from the same galaxy.

Sell everything you own - trade in your children - you don't need TWO kidneys, come on now, you'll be fine, you sissy... save your pennies. Don't buy anything else. The aliens have landed and have started a bass amp company! This things from another galaxy and another planet, man, where the bass players step out front and show you what it's like; it just doesn't seem possible with the technology we've got!

Unbe*******lievable. My rigs 30 lbs lighter, and sounds 1,000% better. Gig report to follow. Definitely NOT old school - this is so new school, it hasn't been invented yet.

Jim Bergantino is a genius. And absolutely ******* crazy to build something like this. Insane. The Porsche Quad-Turbo V12 Lemans Prototype of bass amps.

From 2020.

Cheers,
Cameron
 
I've heard these same speakers with the Markbass LMII, which sounds very good, but - sorry. Not in the same league, not from the same century; not even from the same galaxy.

It was my understanding that the LMII can't be used as a preamp, so how did you try it out with the IP rig?
 
It was my understanding that the LMII can't be used as a preamp, so how did you try it out with the IP rig?

He said same "speakers", not same "cabinets"; so I assumed Bassflute meant that he'd tried the LMII with the HT112 series cabs. Is that correct, Cameron ?

I've been intrigued by the IP series since Jim introduced them, but I like that old school, warm and deep bass tone in addition to a broad frequency response and modern, hi-fi clarity. (It's somehat of a contradiction, I realize.) I most frequently use a Berg HT115/HT210 stack with an Alembic F-1X preamp and a Crest amp. I know Jim programs a particular DSP into the IPs and that the Summit Audio preamp has been very popular with them. Is there a preamp that will enable me to get as much low end warmth from the IP series? Are alternate DSPs available?

Bluesy Soul :cool:

P. S. I hope this isn't too much a thread derail.
 
I'm wondering the same thing, was going to start a new post...What is so special about these higher-end cabinets? Epifani, bergantino, schroeder (their designs are unique for the most part...I get that). I see rectangle boxes with speakers in them just like all the rest. Are the speakers that special? I'm curious...
 
I see rectangle boxes with speakers in them just like all the rest. Are the speakers that special? I'm curious...

You obviously don't understand what goes in building a cabinet...
So, if every bass is just a piece of wood with some metal cords, we should all use First Act basses, and if every car is just a piece of metal with some wheels and seats we should all drive a Ford Focus...
 
Relax there allexcosta, I'm asking a legitimate question. I just spent $1200 on two 12" cabinets, so I understand there are differences. I'm simply saying besides bracing inside, aren't there pretty firm formulas on how big to make a box for optimum output or something? Why is a Bergantino 112 cab $600, and an Avatar $250? Both use wood, carpet, plastic corners, and one speaker and tweeter. I'm simply asking if the speakers are unique and cost much more or what is it? No need to be so defensive about it all.

When I saw the price of the IP series, I thought it was a typo...but obviously there is some serious tech going on in there...
 
Relax there allexcosta, I'm asking a legitimate question.

Sorry, I'm well relaxed. Watching TV and typing on my laptop...
There's the crossover, the cab tuning, the finish, the grill, the looks, the weight, the status, and ultimately, THE SOUND...
IP cabs have a built-in digital 1000W power amp that was developed for the IP cabs. That takes a lot of R&D and knowledge to do. And it costs money. I'll guess you haven't ever tried Bergantino gear. Put a 8x10 fridge side by side with a Berg mini-stack, try both and come back here with your comments... If you do this you'll understand the price...
 
I actually was torn between the Epi cabs and the same style Berg cabs. I saved almost $400 on the Epis (due to tax, shipping, etc.). I have a 45 day return window on the Epis, and a zero day return on the Bergs. But truth be known, if I find two 1x12 cabinets can cut it on stage, I might pony up the extra money and get the bergs. I hate carpeted cabinets deep down.