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my mac pro odyssey (or..."i believe in harvey dent")

john turner

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ok.

so if any of you guys have followed my past musings on all things computing you probably have a decent grasp on what i think about apple, at least since the Second Coming of Jesus Jobs.

still, the reality of my recent situation dictated the need for me to consider getting a macintosh (or more precisely, since i'm broke, my drummer, who i would then repay). we decided it was time to retire the adatxt20s we've been using in favor of some good hard disk recording, and part of this decision necessitated a serious look at an apple cpu as the core of our system.

MOTU has a pretty awesome unit available (the 24i/o) that has 24 inputs, 24 outputs, and 24 bit/96khz converters, to be used in conjunction with a pci card to do hard disk recording. considering we use quite a few mics to mic the drummer jim's kit, we needed something on this scale to get the job done. as with all mark of the unicorn products, this thing was developed originally to be used in conjunction with macs, although it works on any computer.

i had also, this past summer, purchased the producer's toolkit for my pre-existing protools le/digi002 system, only to discover that protools 7.4 doesn't like my pc's, and my current mac (g4 mdd) is not powerful enough to handle the OS upgrade required for this level of protools.

we decided it would be in our best interest to buy a new mac, so we got a mac pro 2x2.8 gHz quad core. yeesh mac prices are ridiculous. still, i'm excited that we're going to be able to start getting the ball rolling.

except....macs don't have pci slots anymore.

yep, you read that right - they only have pci-e slots. so basically hardware designed originally for use in a macintosh does not work in a current macintosh. delightful.

a careful perusal of the MOTU site, however, showed the option to buy a replacement pci-e card for the pci card. yay. we can spend more money to get our gear compatible with what it is advertised to be compatible with. it's like buying 10c lemonade and then finding out that doesn't include the glass. -rolleyes-.

still, i set myself down to the :hmm: task of getting the mac set up, and i have to say, my :hmm: quickly turns to :) . a guarded :) and certainly not the :hyper: that i get with screaming pc's, but still a :) all the same. the mac is fairly easy to set up. its fast, its solid, quiet and clean inside. a little tough to get at the innards to see what's going on with em, and it's very unfriendly to the modders (like me) at least that i can determine at this early stage of the game (only got it a week and a half ago) but still, it's pretty cool.

and then i discover boot camp. i install vista on it, and by golly if it doesn't install easier, and run smoother, than any of the other 5 or 6 vista installs i've had the distinct misfortune of having to perform. the whole process went fast, apple's os10.5 disk had all the drivers i needed to get it up and running, and now it's going smooth.


so yeah. i now have a mac, and i'm actually -not- dreading using it in the studio. that's about as glowing an endorsement as i can muster.

so i guess i believe in harvey dent (steve jobs). heh.


p.s. using a mac running vista is sorta creepy though. sorta like dating a tranny. i feel like hugh grant. -shiver-.
 
heh. this 24i/o unit, too, is freakin stupid awesome. 24 channels of 24bit/96khz io in a single rackspace? works pretty good, as far as i can tell, testing it with a cd. still, the real kicker will be when we get the drums going and i'm using a bunch of those tracks (heh 20).

and all the pretty tracks look awesome on my 30 inch monitor :smug:
 
heh. this 24i/o unit, too, is freakin stupid awesome. 24 channels of 24bit/96khz io in a single rackspace? works pretty good, as far as i can tell, testing it with a cd. still, the real kicker will be when we get the drums going and i'm using a bunch of those tracks (heh 20).

and all the pretty tracks look awesome on my 30 inch monitor :smug:

Drums are the real test. I'm dicking around with a little two input Mbox and now I need to record drums and I'm realizing I need a much better interface. Sigh.
 
You know you can get VMware Fusion and run Vista inside a Mac os... Parallels is pretty cool too...
In fact... I sent this from a Vista virtual machine...

Not sure if you can do the same level of hardware interaction, but
running A Vista VM inside a Mac is a great way to be productive, in your traditional Windows way...
 
i don't really need the windows support simultaneously with the mac softward, so a vm would be overkill. not that that's a bad thing (Gonna need something to put in all that ram heh) but the possibility of running a virtual machine of windows under mac does sound nice.

you mac guys, i got a question for you - can i buy any nvidia 8800 gt to replace the 256 meg ati (-blorch-) video card in this thing? or does it have to be a special card?
 
i don't really need the windows support simultaneously with the mac softward, so a vm would be overkill. not that that's a bad thing (Gonna need something to put in all that ram heh) but the possibility of running a virtual machine of windows under mac does sound nice.

you mac guys, i got a question for you - can i buy any nvidia 8800 gt to replace the 256 meg ati (-blorch-) video card in this thing? or does it have to be a special card?

I've never done it. If you're looking to do it for gaming, then I'd hit up the mac forums. I've never really used my Mac's for games. Just work, web development, and recording. Pron is a given.
 
pretty sure i'm not gonna game on the mac. i am just gonna be running a 20 inch crt and a 30 inch lcd at max resolution (so 1600x1200 and 2560x1600) simultaneously, don't want it to lag out or any other kind of shennanigans while i'm recording.

It should be fine. I always run mine at max resolution. I've never swapped a card. I have had a dual monitor setup that I used to use, but I kind of got away from it. Giant desk footprint, and I just got really good with the tab function in all the graphic programs I use (Illustrator, Flash, Photoshop, etc).
 
anyone have a post-2008 mac pro? got some questions for a user, if any are there.

sorta scared of the mac forums. lurked on a few. -creeeeeepy-. :hiding:

Yeah. They can be geeky. Some of those guys lack social skills, but a few targeted searches will answer your questions. I remember I got torn apart when I was inquiring about replacing some of my old lab macs with a mac mini. I hit back Maki style and they got all bent out shape and sent me PM's and stuff. Funny. These guys are severe Star Trek fans.