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IEM question-- Linsoul KZ Z210 Pro

Anyone used these?
This is my first foray into IEM's. I bought these based on rec from the people on Scott's Bass Lessons.
My experience after a couple of gigs is that they are very detailed but also very brittle/thin sounding.
Is this the expectation for an IEM?
It's fine, I can hear everything and in general it's an improvement over our previous monitoring woes at the back of the stage. But, because the bass tone is so brittle it makes it challenging to get a feel for how I sit in the mix and at times it changes how I play.
Does the tone improve when you spend much more for the real professional ears (the ones that cost $1000+ and have custom molding) or is it just the detail that improves?
 
People hear things differently, and some players find those KZs a bit “harsh” or “brittle,” while others don’t. Personally, I also hear them as harsh (comparatively), but not in a way that’s over the top.

That said, it’s worth asking whether you mean the entire mix sounds off to you, or just your bass. If it’s only your bass, the next question is whether you’re hearing a completely uneffected DI signal. A raw DI often comes across as thin especially as a first IEM impression, so simply switching IEMs won’t do too much to change that. If that's the case, you’ll want to first try least some EQ on your channel. If EQ alone doesn’t get you where you want, consider a pedal/preamp with amp/cab sims.

There’s no universal formula that says “X dollars more equals Y improvement.” Hearing is too individual for that—what’s worth it for one person might not be for another.
 
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Moreso the bass sounds brittle. The mix itself is pretty brittle as well but I'm more focused on the bass tone which lacks depth. My signal is running from my amp's DI (Genzler Magellan, post-EQ).

Okay, so first, the obligatory reminder...to get good bass response in IEMs, you have to have a good seal. Are you getting a good fit, and does recorded music give you the low end you expect?

It seems for starters, you’ll want to do some tone shaping on your bass, ideally in a way that affects only your IEM mix. If that isn’t possible, whatever changes you make need to be acceptable for both FOH and your amp. What approach might be best depends on a few things, so more questions...

So what’s the overall setup? Is this a dedicated IEM rig, or is the mixer doing double duty for both FOH and IEMs? Do you already have a pedalboard/Pre/MultiFX)? And what role does your amp play in your typical gigs (carrying the room, stage volume, or just there out of habit now that you're on IEMs)?
 
I use them. They are ok. I put eq in line back from the mixer just to have my own option if adjustment on the ipad is slow.

I'm comfortable with a harsher bright sound anyway.
I havent felt a desperate need to upgrade the IEM ..still chewing that over as no one else runs them in either band.
 
Okay, so first, the obligatory reminder...to get good bass response in IEMs, you have to have a good seal. Are you getting a good fit, and does recorded music give you the low end you expect?

It seems for starters, you’ll want to do some tone shaping on your bass, ideally in a way that affects only your IEM mix. If that isn’t possible, whatever changes you make need to be acceptable for both FOH and your amp. What approach might be best depends on a few things, so more questions...

So what’s the overall setup? Is this a dedicated IEM rig, or is the mixer doing double duty for both FOH and IEMs? Do you already have a pedalboard/Pre/MultiFX)? And what role does your amp play in your typical gigs (carrying the room, stage volume, or just there out of habit now that you're on IEMs)?
I think the seal is good. I'll have to check listening to them on regular music. haven't done that yet, great idea.

I don't think I have a way of tone shaping/EQing only for the monitor.
I run them off the board from the sound guy (XVive transmitter from the soundboard to our XVive receivers). I do have a pedal board which is between my bass and the amp.
Bass --> pedal board --> amp (Genzler Magellan) --> amp's DI set postEQ
 
Hmm haven't dealt with that exact scenario so I don't have too much to say...

I guess you might ask the sound guy if the can eq your mix some...that would be of some limited help but not go straight to the root of the issue.

Also see how aggressive you can get on affecting the sound for your IEMs while still being ok for FOH to work with and sounding okay for your amp.

You might also try to find some IEMs that are warmer to your ears. Also not a real solution but another possible mitigation.
 
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Dr. Lobotomy said:

Anyone used these?
This is my first foray into IEM's. I bought these based on rec from the people on Scott's Bass Lessons.
My experience after a couple of gigs is that they are very detailed but also very brittle/thin sounding.
Is this the expectation for an IEM?
It's fine, I can hear everything and in general it's an improvement over our previous monitoring woes at the back of the stage. But, because the bass tone is so brittle it makes it challenging to get a feel for how I sit in the mix and at times it changes how I play.
Does the tone improve when you spend much more for the real professional ears (the ones that cost $1000+ and have custom molding) or is it just the detail that improves?
I started out in the same place...

I have a set of the ZX10Pro, and they worked well for home practice, but found they're a bit scooped and bass heavy for me live along with slightly harsh upper end. I also found them difficult to keep in my ears due to the thickness and the weight of that outer metal plate. I find I want a whole lot less scoop in the mix so I can hear my note definition, and often have a stage amp for the guys in the band who don't wear ears, so I end up with way too much low end (I actually HPF my ear mix above 120hz most of the time, the rest blows by the seals from the stage and everything is way cleaner that way). I ended up buying a set of Truthear Pure which are an update to the Hexas and are even "more neutral" with more present mids.

I ordered these, and the Pure at the same time, and sent the Hexa back:
Truthear Hexa
Truthear Pure
They're both really good, but I like the cable better on the Pure, and on paper the slightly flatter curve shoudl serve me better as stage IEMs. Both of these are 4 driver (1 dynamic, 3 balanced armature).

I also have a set of these, which are very good as well:
Truthear x Crinacle Zero: Red (what a name!)
These are a little more scooped than the Hexa and Pure, but are very good sounding all in all. These a dual dynamic driver, and are currently 52.99 on amazon. There's a Blue version which has a little low end, maybe a bit more scooped.

The 'Crinacle' in the name is the username name of a headphone and IEM reviewer with a big following. He's got his name on a few colaborations with Chi-Fi IEM makers, and one branded "Crinear". He seems to prefer a neutral response without massive bass hype, and smooth upper mid and highs. He has a reference curve he prefers, which is a little flatter than the supposed "neutral" Harmon curve. You can find a list of his revewed and "approved" IEMS here, with test response curves and other info. The Hexa and Pure are on that list, as well as his collabs and, including teh one above. That site is also a good searchable database of a lot of IEMS - with test results from crinacle and other reviewers- including Ultimate Ears, 64 Audio, and other high dollar musician IEMS- so you can visualize and compare the differences if that interests you.

One of his other collabs sells for about $23, the 7Hz x Crinacle Zero:2 - I have that one too. It's shockinly good sounding for the money, but doesn't handle the low note amplitude as well as the other to use it daily as a bass player IEM. I do like them for music listening though, and at this price, they're probably a reasonable backup to keep in your gig bag.

Sorry for the long winded rant - but I should mention the ear tips too- With any of them, you'll of course need to try some different ones to get a comfortable reliable seal. The sound will change a bit with different types (foam, silicone), as well as the shape of the tips, because it'll affect how far they go into your ears. I have fairly large ear canals and find I need to often use the largest ones, but my ears taper too, making it hard to get many of them to stay in, and with longer nozzles, I am often better off with medium tips. I've tried quite a few from Comply foam, to several models of SpinFit, and one called Dunu S&S which are silicone, but don't taper like most silicone buds, and for whatever reason stay in my ears better than most.
 
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KZ ZS10 Pro are good IEM, but they do have accentuated bass and treble. If they don't fit good in your ears, bass is lost and shrill heighs remain, and that's probably the case here.
For them to sound very good, you need to adjust EQ on the mixer, on your AUX channel. I have LPF from 8k and two narrow cuts at 2.5 and 4.5k IIRC. This is their response without any EQ correction, so you understand why I EQ them like that:
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As for loss of lows, get bigger ear tips for a better fit.
 
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