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Sub-Short Scale Talk

Did they have strings made for that/ the Micro Tiger five string in their other video?

Cool designs, but the tone didn't really do much for me. Kind of tinny, and that seemed inherent to the bass, not because of YouTube.

I learned some time ago that you can never judge tone online.

Look at all the UBass videos. I have a UBass so I know exactly what it can do. It can knock a building down with massive low end. Yet there are a Ton of videos out there that make it sound like someone's playing an instrument with rubber bands.

Lots of people post videos with really poor audio. I'm almost positive that video is not doing that micro design justice.
 
This thread hasn't been active in some time.

Some at TB know that I am working on a solid body, steel string micro bass that will be offered at my website in 2014.
It's not appropriate to discuss it here. When it is actually available, perhaps it will be appropriate to have a separate thread for it.
In the meantime, though, there has been great progress, and some at TB have expressed interest. I'm posting this just to announce that if anyone is interested in receiving occasional news about this bass as it unfolds, please write to me using the Contact page at my site, and I will add you to the email list.

I will be sending out an email update within the next day or two.
Obligatory pics will be included. :hyper:
 
I just found out about this thread, and would like to share this info that I originally put on the short-scale forum. It really belongs here, though!

Here's my take on a very-short-scale bass guitar. The secret that makes it work are the Bajo Sexto strings. These are designed for a 25.5" scale, and are wound with phosphor bronze over a steel core, so they work fine with normal magnetic pickups. I found individual strings on clearance for less than $2 each from Guitar Center, and bought the fattest four-- low E, A, D, and G (0.092", 0.074', 0.050", 0.046")-- but a complete set is still less than $15. (I later changed the G to an 0.042" ball-end acoustic guitar string to get the tension and timbre to match the other strings better.)

After temporarily checking out the strings on an old acoustic guitar to make sure they worked okay, I started searching for a suitable (cheap!) electric guitar on Craigslist. It only took a few days to come up with some good possibilities. I wanted something with a Strat shape, but with a 3+3 headstock so it wouldn't look quite as goofy as a bass. I decided on a Dean Vendetta XM, which was in excellent condition and cost only $50.

I removed the saddles from the Vendetta's vibrato-style bridge and replaced them with saddles from an old bass guitar I had hanging around. (The saddles from the Vendetta worked nicely on the donor bass, so it's still playable, too!) Experimentation on the acoustic guitar showed that the bridge would need to be moved back to get proper intonation, and there wasn't quite enough adjustment on the Vendetta, so I removed the six bridge fulcrum screws and reinserted them so the front of the bridge bears against them. (This required removal of about 1/8" of wood from the cutout for the bridge in the body, which took about 5 minutes with a file.) The vibrato spring tree is screwed all the way in so the bridge is essentially locked down, since I didn't want to use the vibrato feature on the bass.

The Bajo Sexto strings have loop ends, so I inserted a short 8-32 screw through each loop before feeding the string up through the bridge. I used an extra nut as a spacer to get the fat portion of the string to sit on the saddle.

The pickups are standard guitar humbuckers having six pairs of pole pieces. I covered them with thin, clear plastic painted black on the back side, and attached to the top of the humbucker coil forms with double-sided carpet tape. There are no problems with string balance, probably due to the relatively large gap from strings to pole pieces.

The tuners are the original Vendetta equipment, and accept the strings nicely since the fattest strings are made with a smaller diameter at the end to fit through the hole in the tuner peg. I removed the two middle tuners and filled the holes with plastic hole plugs from Ace Hardware.

The most difficult part of the conversion was making the custom nut. I used aluminum, since I had it on hand, but filing the slots took quite a while. If I ever do this again, I'll spend a couple of extra bucks on some plastic to reduce the labor.

This thing sounds fantastic! The Bajo Sexto strings sound awesome, with no "tubbiness" or goofy harmonics. Slapping, thumping, popping, and picking all sound just like they should.

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Hey fellow sub-short scalers. Dead post I know, but I may have some useful info...

A lot of you guys have been going crazy over strings, although you can't buy them online, Fernandes still offers their round wound NOMAD strings for sale.

Contact Andres Jaramillo, [email protected]

I bought 3 sets, $30 a pop, and was able to pay with Paypal. Andres is my freakin' hero.

Hoping to build a Les-Paul-scaled Les Paul bass with these some day. Anyone know the neck pocket dimensions of the MCR1 Corsair??? Might use that for the neck and match it to a LP style body.

PS check out my custom P-Bass mini sub-shorty at http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f8/custom-short-scale-fender-bass-849922/ if you wanna see how I roll :)

Keep it real guys!
 
I just found out about this thread, and would like to share this info that I originally put on the short-scale forum. It really belongs here, though!
Here's my take on a very-short-scale bass guitar. The secret that makes it work are the Bajo Sexto strings. These are designed for a 25.5" scale, and are wound with phosphor bronze over a steel core, so they work fine with normal magnetic pickups.
Great job, Howard!
I had already set my eyes on bajo sexto strings in case I decide on converting a guitar to an extra shorty bass: glad to know they work fine for the purpose.
I'd like to add (as I just have on another thread) that some manufacturers make stainless steel-wound and nickel-wound bajo sexto strings, should you need more output with magnetic p-ups than the phosphor bronze ones (which are more commonly available for this instrument).

Here's another low tension option borrowed from the six string world: octave-down sets for normal classical guitars.
These are short (25.5) versions of the sets available for contrabass guitar.
No connection with Anthony Jackson's concept except in name and no. of strings: this one is kind of like a Bass VI - same tuning, most have the same scale - only in classical guitar form.
The strings for these are scaled-up classical guitar bass strings, built, as far as I'm aware, just like the Pyramid UBass offering: silver plated copper wound on a nylon core.
Well, I'm aware of at least two manufacturers that offer this kind of strings also for normal scale six string classicals: French maker another thread and Invalid Link Removed from Argentina.
The lowest four strings from one of these sets should work on a piezo-equipped sub-short scale bass. Tension is probably in wet noodle territory, but sticking to an extra light touch should be enough for them not to go boinng at every note.
 
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Great job, Howard!
I had already set my eyes on bajo sexto strings in case I decide on converting a guitar to an extra shorty bass: glad to know they work fine for the purpose.
I'd like to add (as I just have on another thread) that some manufacturers make stainless steel-wound and nickel-wound bajo sexto strings, should you need more output with magnetic p-ups than the phosphor bronze ones (which are more commonly available for this instrument).

Here's another low tension option borrowed from the six string world: octave-down sets for normal classical guitars.
These are short (25.5) versions of the sets available for contrabass guitar.
No connection with Anthony Jackson's concept except in name and no. of strings: this one is kind of like a Bass VI - same tuning, most have the same scale - only in classical guitar form.
The strings for these are scaled-up classical guitar bass strings, built, as far as I'm aware, just like the Pyramid UBass offering: silver plated copper wound on a nylon core.
Well, I'm aware of at least two manufacturers that offer this kind of strings also for normal scale six string classicals: French maker another thread and Invalid Link Removed from Argentina.
The lowest four strings from one of these sets should work on a piezo-equipped sub-short scale bass. Tension is probably in wet noodle territory, but sticking to an extra light touch should be enough for them not to go boinng at every note.

Thanks for the links to those octave-down sets! Do you know of any retailers for these in the USA?
 
Thanks for the links to those octave-down sets! Do you know of any retailers for these in the USA?
Yep, at least for the Savarez. Here's the six string set:
otto B
And I think (but I'd verify nonetheless) that the single strings on this page are all for 25.5" instruments:
otto B

As for Magma, I haven't had luck in finding a US distributor. Here's the product page on their site:
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And the contact form:
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Also, TBer Invalid Link Removed might remember how he put his paws on them.
EDIT: videos!

Not half bad if you ask me!
 
My mimi-bass was the first instrument I built.

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It started life as a six-string clone. I plugged the headstock, veneered, and installed Gotoh tuners. The pickups are a mix of three Artec and Jay Turser violin bass units, with a five-way Strat switch and neck+bridge toggle, 500k volume pot with treble bleed, TBX control, Fender pickguard, pickup cover, bridge cover, and thumbrest, Schaller bridge, and Dunlop Straploks. I use the Fernandes Nomad travel bass strings (.065-.125) tuned EADG.
 
My mimi-bass was the first instrument I built. It started life as a six-string clone. I plugged the headstock, veneered, and installed Gotoh tuners. The pickups are a mix of three Artec and Jay Turser violin bass units, with a five-way Strat switch and neck+bridge toggle, 500k volume pot with treble bleed, TBX control, Fender pickguard, pickup cover, bridge cover, and thumbrest, Schaller bridge, and Dunlop Straploks. I use the Fernandes Nomad travel bass strings (.065-.125) tuned EADG.

Sweet!

What kind of bridge are you using?
 
I use the Fernandes Nomad travel bass strings (.065-.125) tuned EADG.
Yup, I found out about them while reading of this beauty of yours in another post. (Then spammed the whole forum about them... EDIT: also thanks to deplopcinema's post above that I simply quoted in my aforementioned spamming.)
(...) with a five-way Strat switch and neck+bridge toggle, 500k volume pot with treble bleed, TBX control, (...)
:hyper: You really went all-out with this! Wanted to give her lot of passive tone options eh?
 
My mimi-bass was the first instrument I built.

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It started life as a six-string clone. I plugged the headstock, veneered, and installed Gotoh tuners. The pickups are a mix of three Artec and Jay Turser violin bass units, with a five-way Strat switch and neck+bridge toggle, 500k volume pot with treble bleed, TBX control, Fender pickguard, pickup cover, bridge cover, and thumbrest, Schaller bridge, and Dunlop Straploks. I use the Fernandes Nomad travel bass strings (.065-.125) tuned EADG.

That is gorgeous!

I also like to use a neck+bridge toggle on all of my three-pickup guitars.
 
Here's a 5-string bass conversion of a Lucero LC250 cutaway classical guitar with piezo pickup and electronics. I used stainless steel safety wire and safety-wire pliers to attach the strings at both ends of the guitar. (I had the safety wire and pliers left over from my racing days.) The strings shown are a standard 4-string set of Aquila Silver Rumblers for BEAD, and weed whacker nylon for the G. I originally tried the Aquila Thunderguts, and I'll go back to them as I like the tone and the appearance better, and they are a better match to the G-string timbre.

I installed a slightly taller and thinner saddle. It's somewhat more flexible than the original saddle, which helps it to seat properly against the piezo pickup. The pickup is the original (for 6-string classical) but the balance is fine with the five bass strings and their different spacing.

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Yeah, I might take the plunge on these very soon: I need a compact backup to both my bass VI and my nylon-strung acoustic, so converting a classical guitar with these might just be the ticket.

As I posted elsewhere (but I've pretty much run out of sub-short out-of-left-field armchair string wisdom; better leave it to reep and howardcano for real-life experience), another US source for nyloncore single bass strings (up to .080) for 25-ish inch instruments (or less, if communication around their custom order process allows it) turns out to be none other than La Bella:
elsewhere
They do metal roundwounds as well, up to .120:
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Europeans in turn have Pyramid:
http://pyramid-saiten.de/de/custom-shop/custom-shop.php
Site's in German, but where there's a wish there's a Babel fish...
 

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