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NBD: MÜB Miezo 18

132 days ago, I put in an order for a Miezo 18, and last night it arrived.

5 string, 17mm spacing
Raintree body, ovangkol fretboard
Bartolini dual coil pickup
Just volume/tone pots, no frills.

I am a weird bass player, and this is my weird bass. :) I make dark ambient/drone music with synths and occasional bass parts (or electric kalimba). I need a compact instrument that won't get its headstock bashed into gear racks, and I favor a shorter-than-short scale length.

So the Miezo is ideal for me:

- ideal form factor. It stays close to the body, safe from getting bashed while I lean over and tweak faders or alternate lines between touchpads and the bass. And I love the fret spacing. And it just looks cool, a bit exotic and unusual and that makes me happy.

- ideal tone. Solid yet clear. Sounds great on its own, and is also a good platform for effects processing and clean pitch tracking to control synths. (There is a little buzz with the tone knob up fully and some compression applied... but less than the Ibanez Mikro and it's easy enough to filter out in my DAW.)

- ideal pitch range. The standard tuning for this instrument is BEADG an octave above a regular 5-string, but it drops to ADGCF with no issues. Cello range. Perfect for my music, and the range I tended to play in with other basses anyway. If I need to go lower, there are decent octave-down plugins.

I love that the two woods are matched so well; if it weren't for different grain direction it would look almost like one piece of wood. I love the feel and response of the tuners, much better than standard ones and worlds better than U-Bass tuners.

The included gig bag (made for the Miezo) is nice and I won't feel the need to upgrade to another case. I do need to change the bulky padded strap I have since it's awkward with that bag though.

Communication with Maurizio was good -- he offered advice and options on going for the 16 vs 18, wood choices and possible upgrades, always answered emails pretty quickly, sent several build process photos once the first couple of steps had been taken, and quickly cleared up a paperwork issue with customs (which I'm not sure actually delayed shipping at all, since I got it two days before the estimated delivery date). There were also photos of the instrument shared on Instagram which I thought indicated he was particularly proud of how this one came out, despite being a simpler build than many of the others around the same time.

...

"But is it a bass?"

Yes, absolutely. It feels like playing a bass, it sounds like playing a bass, and it's played with the same techniques. The pitch range overlaps with the majority of 4-string bass range even without an octave-down effect. Granted, its shape may be stretching the definition of bass guitar, so it could be a ... bass dulcimer? Bass lyre?

"Weight?"

About this much. More than a hollow body U-Bass. Probably less than the Ibanez Mikro, but more than the Mikro would weigh if you removed its neck. It feels solid and concentrated, but comfortable.

...

Things I need to get used to:

- roundwound strings. I've got tapes on the Mikro and I feel like they're more forgiving of messy fretting technique. But I like the tone with these and would rather improve myself than mess that up.

- neck shape. It doesn't feel weird, but it's forcing me to not wrap my thumb around the neck like I used to... so that's probably a win.

- 5 strings. More strings to mute. The lowest string is more challenging to fret as you go closer to the bridge, but that's easily solved by (A) practice and (B) playing higher strings anyway.

...

This will definitely be my #1 bass from this point on. For fretless and a mellow thumpy piezo sound, I've got the UBass. The others are probably going to collect dust unless I turn them into experimental platforms of some kind.



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Beautiful craftsmanship. Did you have the opportunity to try one before ordering or was it a big leap of faith?

It was a big leap of faith! I'm glad it worked out and I didn't have to resell. I've done that with several synths and pedals, though it's usually a learning experience of some sort at least. (At least with pedals and Eurorack modules the shipping isn't much...)

I think the last bass I tried in person was way back in high school, when I wasn't seriously considering buying one.
 
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132 days ago, I put in an order for a Miezo 18, and last night it arrived.

5 string, 17mm spacing
Raintree body, ovangkol fretboard
Bartolini dual coil pickup
Just volume/tone pots, no frills.

I am a weird bass player, and this is my weird bass. :) I make dark ambient/drone music with synths and occasional bass parts (or electric kalimba). I need a compact instrument that won't get its headstock bashed into gear racks, and I favor a shorter-than-short scale length.

So the Miezo is ideal for me:

- ideal form factor. It stays close to the body, safe from getting bashed while I lean over and tweak faders or alternate lines between touchpads and the bass. And I love the fret spacing. And it just looks cool, a bit exotic and unusual and that makes me happy.

- ideal tone. Solid yet clear. Sounds great on its own, and is also a good platform for effects processing and clean pitch tracking to control synths. (There is a little buzz with the tone knob up fully and some compression applied... but less than the Ibanez Mikro and it's easy enough to filter out in my DAW.)

- ideal pitch range. The standard tuning for this instrument is BEADG an octave above a regular 5-string, but it drops to ADGCF with no issues. Cello range. Perfect for my music, and the range I tended to play in with other basses anyway. If I need to go lower, there are decent octave-down plugins.

I love that the two woods are matched so well; if it weren't for different grain direction it would look almost like one piece of wood. I love the feel and response of the tuners, much better than standard ones and worlds better than U-Bass tuners.

The included gig bag (made for the Miezo) is nice and I won't feel the need to upgrade to another case. I do need to change the bulky padded strap I have since it's awkward with that bag though.

Communication with Maurizio was good -- he offered advice and options on going for the 16 vs 18, wood choices and possible upgrades, always answered emails pretty quickly, sent several build process photos once the first couple of steps had been taken, and quickly cleared up a paperwork issue with customs (which I'm not sure actually delayed shipping at all, since I got it two days before the estimated delivery date). There were also photos of the instrument shared on Instagram which I thought indicated he was particularly proud of how this one came out, despite being a simpler build than many of the others around the same time.

...

"But is it a bass?"

Yes, absolutely. It feels like playing a bass, it sounds like playing a bass, and it's played with the same techniques. The pitch range overlaps with the majority of 4-string bass range even without an octave-down effect. Granted, its shape may be stretching the definition of bass guitar, so it could be a ... bass dulcimer? Bass lyre?

"Weight?"

About this much. More than a hollow body U-Bass. Probably less than the Ibanez Mikro, but more than the Mikro would weigh if you removed its neck. It feels solid and concentrated, but comfortable.

...

Things I need to get used to:

- roundwound strings. I've got tapes on the Mikro and I feel like they're more forgiving of messy fretting technique. But I like the tone with these and would rather improve myself than mess that up.

- neck shape. It doesn't feel weird, but it's forcing me to not wrap my thumb around the neck like I used to... so that's probably a win.

- 5 strings. More strings to mute. The lowest string is more challenging to fret as you go closer to the bridge, but that's easily solved by (A) practice and (B) playing higher strings anyway.

...

This will definitely be my #1 bass from this point on. For fretless and a mellow thumpy piezo sound, I've got the UBass. The others are probably going to collect dust unless I turn them into experimental platforms of some kind.



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Congratulations on your new instrument! :thumbsup:

Let us hear some music you record with it.
 
Let us hear some music you record with it.

Working on that. There are a couple of factors at play:

- I only started playing bass about 9 months ago, and still need to work on playing cleanly. I think going to 5 strings and a shorter scale length makes that more true. So since getting the Miezo (which arrived while I was in between projects) I've been practicing/noodling more than I have been recording. I've also been experimenting with some changes in my synth setup.

- I have this fairly reliable process for recording, starting with discovering a sound (usually a drone) and then building everything up around that. When I get a new instrument or vital piece of gear, sometimes that throws off my process, because I'm eager to incorporate that new thing. But sometimes it's like trying to install a stained glass window before building the walls, and it's a creative disaster. I had that a ton with the Make Noise 0-Ctrl a couple of years ago until I got a feel for both when and how to bring it in. I'm in that space with the Miezo now and need to work through it.

With the UBass, my most successful use of it in recordings at first didn't sound much like a bass -- it was heavily processed and seemed like another synth part. Its most important contribution was inspiration. As I got more comfortable with it, I started to allow it to sound more like itself. I expect I'll follow that same pattern with the Miezo.

That said, I do have something I'll probably submit to the next Ambient Online compilation, and I'm gonna keep plugging away :)

...

Something I noticed with the Miezo: a little bit of inharmonicity in the strings, more prominently on the lower ones. For a given frequency, a string that is stiffer and has a wider radius is going to be more inharmonic than one that is longer and has more tension.

It's not so much that it sounds out of tune, but like there's a subtle chorus effect, or like an upright piano -- in fact it occurred to me that maybe this is what people describe as "piano-like" in tone. It's pretty pleasant IMHO, it adds a nice subtle bit of motion (although it's likely to get lost in a mix unless I play the low and keep synth parts sparser than usual).
 
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Thinking about strings and looking for advice...

Mau recommends a .105 set for B1 tuning with the M18. He always uses rounds. While I've only tried a few strings, I prefer the feel of flats but the sound of rounds.

I kind of want to try Ernie Ball cobalt flats. Their Hybrid set is 45,65,86,105 which seems good... but to add the high string, they don't make singles smaller than 40. Would it be awful to add a D'Addario Chrome 32 to the set, or do people have other suggestions? Or should I completely avoid mixing types?
 
Thinking about strings and looking for advice...

Mau recommends a .105 set for B1 tuning with the M18. He always uses rounds. While I've only tried a few strings, I prefer the feel of flats but the sound of rounds.

I kind of want to try Ernie Ball cobalt flats. Their Hybrid set is 45,65,86,105 which seems good... but to add the high string, they don't make singles smaller than 40. Would it be awful to add a D'Addario Chrome 32 to the set, or do people have other suggestions? Or should I completely avoid mixing types?
Get the cobalt flat 4-string set and the Chrome single. Best bet.
 
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