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Help me decide an inexpensive 5-String bass for experimenting with EADGC tuning

Hi! Need to choice between a few options here to know which one may be the best for me!

First, some context:
I'm a guitarist/bassist, been playing for 20+ years. Mostly indie-rock, indie-songwriter stuff. Right now I'm playing with a singer-songwriter trio (drums, bass (me) and guitar+vocals. It's kind of jazzy / dark / twin peaks vibey kind of thing.
I'm playing in a kind of unconventional aproach right now, with a OLP MM5 (basically a Bass VI style instrument, 30 inch scale with EADGCBE tuning). I split my signal so I go both into a guitar amp and a bass amp. The guitar amp signal is heavily processed with reverb, tremolo, and a EHX POG2 to create octaves and and synth-like effects. Basically I cover both a bass and keyboards-synth in the band at the same time. I Also use and enjoy the extended range of the Bass VI , by playing chords or adding some extra flourishes with the higher strings.
The thing is, the OLP MM5 is lacking a bit on the bass department, and something it does not fill the room enough when I just play a G on the 4th string. It lacks oomph. Mostly because the scale length, the overall quality of my instrument, etc.

So I want to try doing the same thing I do, but with a full scale instrument, and I want to try a 5 string bass so i can tune it to EADGC (or EADGB? maybe?) so I can still use the extended range that I need for this project. I will be missing one string yeah, but I can manage by moving myself further into the fretboard.

Some other pointers:
- This is an experiment, I don't know if it would work or not, but hey, let's see where this goes.
- Because it's an experiment, I don't want to spent a lot of money on this.
- I want a small instrument. I enjoy FSOs and I have a MIJ Jazz Bass that i dearly love, but I prefer something compact and small that I can carry on a guitar or small gig bag that fits into the trunk of a car. That's why I was focusing on brands like Spector, Ibanez, Schecter, or Warwick, instead of well, Fenders. Also, I want a very tight string spacing, as I want something closer to my MM5 and something to play chords and with a pick with.

These are the options I've been eye-ing out, but it's damn hard because all the demos of the basses are interested in are of metal, slapping, tapping, or the three things at once. I know with some proper technique, and maybe a preamp swap or pickup swap, I can get some nice all-round sound, but It's hard to hear it in demos:

1) Ibanez SR1205. I like this one because a) it has nordstrand big singles and b) it has an active/passive switch. It's the most expensive of the bunch, though.
2) Ibanez SR505. I can find this one for pretty cheap. Not hearing great things about the preamp or the bartolini mk1 pickups, but maybe It can be upgraded?
3) Spector Legend Classic 5. Some locals sellers have this bass, some of those with EMG instead of EMG hz pickups (is that upgrade good for me?) Some with upgrades preamps (aguilar OBP-2, darkglass tone capsule).
4) Spector NS-2000/5. I heard the construction on these basses is great, but also every demo I hear screams metal.
5) Schecter Stiletto 5 / Warwick Rockbass Streamer 5 (hard to find these on my local market, sadly, but I can give an extra look if you guys recommend them)

I will probably test them all, but I would like some suggestions from the forum first.
Which one would you choose for this?
Thanks!
 


Not very useful as I'm looking for a smaller instrument.
I would bet money that dual-band compression would beef up the low end of a bass vi type instrument immensely
It's still a small short scale bass. There's no black magic that you can do here. Also - I want to get a new bass!
 
It's not gonna hurt my feelings if you buy a new bass but yeah...squashing the crap out of your fundamentals but leaving your mids and highs untouched will definitely make that thing bump. I wouldn't consider that black magic by any stretch
 
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I have a Spector and in a gig bag it's going to take up the same room as FSO. Smaller body doesn't make that much of a difference. Comfort for playing, sure. Travel? Scale length is more important than body size. Go short or medium scale to save some room (short scale can fit in a guitar gig bag), but a 34" scale isn't going to travel much different no matter body size (unless you go headless?)
 
I have a Spector and in a gig bag it's going to take up the same room as FSO. Smaller body doesn't make that much of a difference. Comfort for playing, sure. Travel? Scale length is more important than body size. Go short or medium scale to save some room (short scale can fit in a guitar gig bag), but a 34" scale isn't going to travel much different no matter body size (unless you go headless?)

For your range you might want to check out a 5 string headless multi scale from Ibanez. Their necks are very thin too (for chording) and I think string spacing is pretty tight on those. Would fit easily in a guitar gig bag. Guitar Center usually has them in stock to go noodle on.
 
The thing is, the OLP MM5 is lacking a bit on the bass department, and something it does not fill the room enough when I just play a G on the 4th string. It lacks oomph. Mostly because the scale length, the overall quality of my instrument, etc.
I remembered your earlier thread. where I (rather curtly, I admit) commented on the potential of the platform - which I, too, own - for conventional bass duties, but also suggested a bi-amping or dual-mono approach (so my post wasn't just a useless rant, hopefully).

I have to ask: have you ever experimented with strings? Do you have the Ernie Ball 2837 set on it currently? Ever tried flatwounds or tapewounds?
(I am all too aware that the MM5 Baritone is string-through-body only, which makes it an absolute nightmare if one wants to try different types of strings... :atoz:)
 
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I remembered your earlier thread. where I (rather curtly, I admit) commented on the potential of the platform - which I, too, own - for conventional bass duties, but also suggested a bi-amping or dual-mono approach (so my post wasn't just a useless rant, hopefully).

I have to ask: have you ever experimented with strings? Do you have the Ernie Ball 2837 set on it currently? Ever tried flatwounds or tapewounds?
(I am all too aware that the MM5 Baritone is string-through-body only, which makes it an absolute nightmare if one wants to try different types of strings... :atoz:)
Thanks for remembering.
I'm extremely lucky on that regard and i have the absolute best possible scenario for this: A customer string builder that built a set of strings for me.
I have some flatwounds made for the bass vi with a big ass 110 as the E string. I was scared that it could not fit on the string-through-body, but they work! And it sounds good, like a bass. But it's still not the thing I have in my head, or more clearly enough - my fender bass still sounds way bigger than my olp.
 
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Argentina, it's a local builder half an hour from my city. It's called Lemma Sound. You just pick the gauges you want, the length, the ball ends, and you're good to go.
That is super cool: they make flatwounds and black nylon tapewounds too!
I like to keep track of makers of flats and tapes worldwide, and the fact they do custom work is doubly interesting. These Lemma Sound folks are going to hear from me very soon (hoping they are amenable to shipping abroad). Thanks!
 
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I have a Spector and in a gig bag it's going to take up the same room as FSO. Smaller body doesn't make that much of a difference. Comfort for playing, sure. Travel? Scale length is more important than body size. Go short or medium scale to save some room (short scale can fit in a guitar gig bag), but a 34" scale isn't going to travel much different no matter body size (unless you go headless?)
Yeah, maybe my take is kind of a stretch. I had a friend that had an ibanez SR series bass that fit in a big guitar gigbag (think jazzmaster size). But maybe i was wrong. But anyway, I'm also interested in comfort in playing, as I'm getting older and I'm kind of on the short side.
I think it's also some kind of efficiency thing? I think fenders long scale basses are unnecesarily big. It could be done better from a design standpoint.
 
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I have a Sterling Sub Series Stingray 5 HH and I like it. Got it cheap Scratch / Dent from Musicians Friend. It has HH pups and 5-way switch and a decent preamp (not great but upgradeable). Narrow spacing. I'm a 4 stringer and a gear snob and this bass is still here. Worth a look.

Video review from LowEndLobster:
 
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I am a pro at INEXPENSIVE BASSES!! I HIGHLY recommend you go to thomannmusic.com the MusiciansFriend/GuitarCenter of Europe. In Germany. They have a relationship with WARWICK. Find the Basses, the subcatagories like 5 string P or 5 String J or miscellanious 5 String. Their HOUSE BRAND is very good, HARLEY BENTON. Everything with that label is an exceptionaqlly good deal. I bought the PJ5 VW with Roswell P/U's and a skunk stripe neck, and it is gorgeous, and sounds phat! I bought the MM5 Sting Ray Single P/U, Maple neck and fretboard in Sunburst. Wicked!! UNDER $200!! The IYV basses at AMAZON are VERY GOOD!!! I have the 5 neck thru multi laminate, 3 band 18v eq,... around $300. Ridiculous value. The BULLFIGHTER 5 Strings on AMAZON are INSANE VALUES!!! Their 5 string multi laminate neck thru 9v 3 band eq model is $190!!! ***?!~? And they have 2 more models,... and a 6 and a 7 string!!! NOW,.... the absolute KING of Bang for the BUCK is the GLARRY line of 4 - 5 - 6 string basses. I have a few of their 5 String Jazz and I install P-Bass pickups in the neck position. Sound and play great. $100. They have a NEW ACTIVE 9v 3 band eq GIB, at $130. Glarry GIB Active 6-String Bass Guitar with Upgraded Electronics Black White - Glarrymusic that is a REALLY GOOD VALUE!! Great customer service!
I also think the URSA 2 Jazz from rondomusic.com is an unbeatable value for what you get, for under $300. I bought the 6 string in Black with a Maple neck and Fretboard, Geedy Lee style, but in a 6. A favorite. Not always in stock. Keep trying, email them. They sell out beacause they are GOOD!
I also bought 2 BRICE V2's 20 years ago from them, a fretless and a fretted, and still play both as my main basses, heavily modded with EMG goodies. $280. Yep!
 

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I remembered your earlier thread. where I (rather curtly, I admit) commented on the potential of the platform - which I, too, own - for conventional bass duties, but also suggested a bi-amping or dual-mono approach (so my post wasn't just a useless rant, hopefully).

I have to ask: have you ever experimented with strings? Do you have the Ernie Ball 2837 set on it currently? Ever tried flatwounds or tapewounds?
(I am all too aware that the MM5 Baritone is string-through-body only, which makes it an absolute nightmare if one wants to try different types of strings... :atoz:)
If OP was interested in a bridge mod, they could use six Babicz solo rails which permit either rear-loading or through-body stringing with relatively tight spacing, just as an aside. I used those on my mod project “Silhouette bass” made from a Sterling Silo 20 guitar.
 
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It's not gonna hurt my feelings if you buy a new bass but yeah...squashing the crap out of your fundamentals but leaving your mids and highs untouched will definitely make that thing bump. I wouldn't consider that black magic by any stretch
Yup. Using a dual band compressor and/or some kind of crossover to split the signal by bandwidth before your amps might help provide clarity, esp if you’re using modulation effects on the high frequencies, and you can then keep the octaver on the low frequencies to provide extra lows / sub bass but avoid muddiness.

But as to your question, I’d recommend the Ibanez EHB1005SMS “short multiscale” 5-string. It’s a fanned fret headless that has a 32” low B and 30” high G.

If you want to go EADGC with it it ought to work, and the saddles can be adjusted 1.5mm in either direction (IIRC) to give you the spacing you prefer. It uses string clamps at the headstock so you can use pretty much any string brand / type.
 
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Nothing more compact than a headless, and the Ibanez headless 5 sounds like the ticket if you are used to guitar necks. The SR505 is an excellent bass, electronics seem find to me, and as you say, not too expensive. That’s the only 5 I’ve played that felt good in my hands.
 
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