Perhaps, you should form the bass police and go around burning the defilers at the stake. You would have lots of work.
Sheesh.
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$100 bass vs $10,000 bass
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Sheesh.
LOL - Wiremessiah likes to preach that the days of roundwound strings are over.Perhaps, you should form the bass police and go around burning the defilers at the stake. You would have lots of work.
Sheesh.
Hey, I respect that POV; right up to the point where it becomes some kind of broader mandate to other players. Hold your convictions close, but don't impose them on others.LOL - Wiremessiah likes to preach that the days of roundwound strings are over.
Regarding the OP: we are comparing studio recordings. What is shown is that lines recorded in the studio can be engineered to be useable for a wide range of price point instrumeats. Great.
Translation to significance as to how a player chooses an instrument for live performance is not a straight dot to dot connect.
Let's lighten up. Cool video. Not a whole lot new there. Next topic.
Translation to significance as to how a player chooses an instrument for live performance is not a straight dot to dot connect.
Let's lighten up. Cool video. Not a whole lot new there. Next topic.
Well I'll agree that the days of slap bass are over and it sounds dated now but roundwound strings definitely remain the standard when it comes to most pro bassists. It's either that or they have an arsenal of basses that includes 1 or 2 with flats for very specific applications. For me, it's cool to play a bass for a while that has flatwounds on it but I get tired of it very quickly.
I'd actually say that Ernie Ball Cobalt Flats seem like the string of the future - where you have a round sound in a flatwound. I've yet to try them but I really want to.
Amen. How about:
fretless: unlined vs lines
or perhaps:
does wood matter?
and of course who could forget the all-time classic:
carrots!
Once you're here long enough it feels like TB is really about a dozen topics recycled. I suspect that soon there will be an AI chat bot that masquerades as a vast user bass [sic] and automatically keeps threads going.
Or maybe that is already happening?!?!?
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I wonder if Paul Simon got upset when he saw Bakithi Kumalo's old fretless Washburn. (Call Me Al)
LOL! Tru dat. But Bakithi does play a lot more expensive basses these days.
"the days of slap bass are over and it sounds dated now"
Perhaps, what you mean is that there isn't anything new in bassdom there. Parts that are slapped as appropriate to the various cover tunes are still received extremely well by club audiences, IME. One has to decide if you are at the gig to entertain or to be an artiste. You can aspire to both; but, they are not necessarily the same master to be served. YMMV
BTW, what will never become dated is playing the right notes at the right time with the right feel. FWIW
As the joke goes, what's the difference between a musician and an entertainer?
The entertainer gets paid.
Well, I suppose less a joke than a reality
After years of flats, and experimenting with half rounds and pressure rounds, I've gone back to rounds. I'm happy with them (for now....)
Right; but, another way to put it is that we have a large diversity of players and playing objectives on here. There are cats posting on here who play a lot at home, but never intend to go out on the gig. Or maybe thy play jam sessions, but don't gig. Or, they play free Jazz only and consider anything with structure to be passé. Etc etc. Right? So, there are a lot of legit but very disparate views as to what is "right." So, we need to remain respectful and considerate. Yes?As the joke goes, what's the difference between a musician and an entertainer?
The entertainer gets paid.
Well, I suppose less a joke than a reality
I myself think that a really good slap-bass player is a joy to behold (behear?
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And while I don't think its (slapping) over, I agree it's over -DONE. Way too much popcorn in the bass media these days.
When I hear say Bobby Vega, (yes he does a slap now/then) the mighty Rocco!, Chuck Rainey, or Anthony Jackson dig in with not a slap to be heard, it makes me realize how important the melody and the GROOVE are. Nuff said.
And also:
Personally I've only used flats on (1) bass, and even though they did what they're supposed to do, "thump" down the tone, they are not my choice, and I can't imagine using flats on just about all of my basses for my Projects. Given that, I know a lot of players really do their thing well with the Flats/P-Bass combo eg. Cool, that's why they make 'em.
And to cap off (for me) another fine day on TB- I thought it was kinda harsh, what was said about that guys tone on the video- Sounded nice and crisp, good bridge tone to me!
EDIT: THIS Bassist's tone, not the original bass-comparison video
)And while I don't think its (slapping) over, I agree it's over -DONE. Way too much popcorn in the bass media these days.
When I hear say Bobby Vega, (yes he does a slap now/then) the mighty Rocco!, Chuck Rainey, or Anthony Jackson dig in with not a slap to be heard, it makes me realize how important the melody and the GROOVE are. Nuff said.
And also:
Personally I've only used flats on (1) bass, and even though they did what they're supposed to do, "thump" down the tone, they are not my choice, and I can't imagine using flats on just about all of my basses for my Projects. Given that, I know a lot of players really do their thing well with the Flats/P-Bass combo eg. Cool, that's why they make 'em.
And to cap off (for me) another fine day on TB- I thought it was kinda harsh, what was said about that guys tone on the video- Sounded nice and crisp, good bridge tone to me!
EDIT: THIS Bassist's tone, not the original bass-comparison video
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Certainly. I think the problem is that often people will make very authoritative posts and don't qualify them with their assumptions and/or actual experience. And the most vocal invariably have zero information in their profile. For long-timers here, you have a feel for who knows what they're talking about and who is FoS. Noobs don't though. We'd like to think that TB is a source of good information, and through discussion the cream rises to the top. But poop tends to float as well
On another thread someone posted a very declarative position, I offered an alternative viewpoint, then they said that they only play at home and don't gig. Which is...OK, but doesn't really give their opinion much gravitas when someone asks about things working on a gig.
It's the inter webs. Been this way for decades, and the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Sure, but I would say that in a live situation these nuances in sound are even harder to distinguish.
Sure, but I would venture to say that in a live situation these nuances in sound are even harder to distinguish.
LOL - Wiremessiah likes to preach that the days of roundwound strings are over.
For me, they ended a decade ago, but it's obviously not true for everyone. Rounds are more popular, probably by a lot. And people still slap and tap and all that, but the days of it being interesting or novel are over. At least for bassists. You can still wow a crowd with those theatrics, but you can't really break much new ground. I began to pick up other instruments and producing when i realized this a while ago. That's the only way for me to be creative and have a unique voice, and it's much easier to do now than when i started playing.
I think the "new" for some people is the realization that you don't NEED to spend a bunch of money to get a professional and quality instrument nowadays for either live or in the studio. That is pretty significant I would say.
It's a good time to be a bass player for sure!
Really? I'm pretty sure that if I waltzed up to your average bass rig, plugged in a Fodera with the Pope preamp, and then plugged in a $100 P bass clone, I could tell the tonal difference, even allowing for volume differences. YMMV
But, that has pretty much always been the case. A solid P is generally not too pricey, and the skills and knowledge of the player are the vastly most important factor. Two totally separate issues. Nothing at all wrong with great instruments, irrespective of cost either way. We should not be dissing either end of the spectrum. Yes, it is absolutely a great time to be a bass player at all levels and budgets.
Nah, it's relatively recently that you could get a good rig for a decent price. I remember spending $500 in 1995 dollars for a simple 1X15 combo amp that you can get for the same price or cheaper in today's dollars. And the used market is so much more flooded as well because of the internet. You can get a super clean rig for absurdly cheap that you couldn't even get in the 80's for any price. The audio gear and instrument markets have matured to the level where it's all democratized.
Plug ins allow people with very little funds to have tools that you had to spend a fortune for studio time on in the past. And digital has matured as well in the past decade or so. People want to think that they get a leg up with money, but that's just not true anymore. That's hard for the old guard to accept, but you have to roll with the times.
