Right. So we look at other "sub" drivers. The 3015LF has a much higher sensitivity. You would have to push more than double the power into that 18 to get it as loud as the 15.
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1x18 Cabinet
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Right. So we look at other "sub" drivers. The 3015LF has a much higher sensitivity. You would have to push more than double the power into that 18 to get it as loud as the 15.
On top of the fact that for the price of that 18 I could have 3-4 3015LF's and crush it even further.
keep this to the OP's orig q? does kool-aid play a single 18"?
OP is from 2010, long time before you showed up. The dude that zombified this thread was asking about downtunings. The two gentleman going back and forth are ON topic as opposed to childish musings related to bass drum configurations....
You mean the 3 year old zombie OP question?
does kool-aid play a single 18"?
The questions in this thread are about extended range tunings. And that was one of the design goals for the fEARful cabs.
Also who is kool-aid? or are you obtuse enough to only see my avatar and not read my user name?
The sensitivity rating of a speaker does not apply over any frequency you chose, and it surely won't apply at a low G#. The sensitivity below the mid-band frequency is determined by the speaker AND the enclosure. You're starting to think like that guy stating 410s will "out-do" a single 18. Frequency response of a 15 can be made to extend low, but unless you have boatloads of Xmax to accept the power down there, it will run out of steam, at which point you would need four 15s just to keep up. (Excursion requirements increase quadratically as you drop in frequency)
Indremafan, if you truly want to reproduce fundamentals (which you haven't stated explicitly, so I can only assume you do), you're gonna need A LOT more than 500W to reproduce a ~25Hz fundamental onstage. Think more like 2 kW into a VERY large cabinet.
im saying (after selling 1.5M+ records) the kick is very important and we, as bass players, need to lock in with the kick, but really my point shows that a 22" or whatever kick is designed to cover certain freqs, bass guitars and amps should punch air like the kick to max out the band's sound. PS im 33, not a teen 
im saying (after selling 1.5M+ records) the kick is very important and we, as bass players, need to lock in with the kick, but really my point shows that a 22" or whatever kick is designed to cover certain freqs, bass guitars and amps should punch air like the kick to max out the band's sound. PS im 33, not a teen
Selling records doesn't have **** to do with acoustic science. Just sayin'
Selling records doesn't have **** to do with acoustic science. Just sayin'
you're right. somebody made it like i dont have any experience though, which isnt true. i admit im not an scientist, but i use an 18" every day for at least 2 hrs, and neither a 215, 410, anything really, can match the character of the 18, ime
Possibly, but whether your experience has anything to do with the conversation IS the question. Character is not equal to performance. Character of one 18" driver is not equal to that of ALL 18" drivers.
Thanks for your help and star-power though.
(For the record, I feel that a good connection with a drummer is essential.)
You are right, the enclosure does matter. So lets take a little look at some simple modeling. Low G# is in the mid 20hz range right? So we look at the first harmonic which is what matters, and that puts us in the 40-50 hz range.
Lets take a look at some simple modeling of two 3015LF's and that 18 you mentioned.
First the sensitivity. More than 6db better with the twin 3015LF's (so even one is going to beat the 18, two crushes it).
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Now max db. Once again the twin 3015LF's with 1500 watts beat the 18 being pushed by 2000 watts.
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Now consider the ~$900 price tag of the 18, and the ~$600 price tag of the two 15's, and the fact that you need a huge (450L) enclosure to make the 18 work this way.
Sorry I dont believe that particular 18" driver is worth anything outside of a pro PA set up.
And that right there is where our trains of thoughs differ compeletely. I think in terms of fundamentals, where as you're thinking about 1st harmonics. You're absolutely right in terms of 1st harmonics. I am absolutely right in terms of fundamentals. This is why I specifically stated about actually reproducing fundamentals, each time I spoke. Reproducing 1st harmonics in the 40-50hz range is easy as pie, that I know from simulating and building enclosures for 20years. Going down to the fundamental is a whole 'nother ballgame.
My point being those fundamentals dont matter. The first harmonic has all the energy of the note.
harmonics-harsmonics. what about when you thump all four fingers across the strings, not fretting but resting the fretting hand on the strings? whats the frequency of that?
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If that is the case, then I do agree with you that the fundamentals won't nearly be of that much importance.
