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2 man Grindcore/powerviolence effects

Aside from Sludge and Doom, I have an interest in Grind and Powerviolence. I'm going to be (hopefully) starting a band with my drummer so if nothing else we can both learn to play faster and have fun destroying people's ears in the process.

I have a Tech 21 XXL B and a BDDI, but those don't quite cut it. it's like it's too...tame almost. Any ideas on what can give me tons of Grind for cheap? ODB-3 perhaps?
 
You could try like death from above and run 1200W bass amp heads into 200W rated acoustic guitar speakers... then go further... Overdrive the tubes to bloody hell and run a Turbo Rat into a Digitech Hard-Wire Tube Overdrive into a Swollen Pickle into an XXL into an ODB-3 and finish it off with a DS-1... or something.
 
You could try like death from above and run 1200W bass amp heads into 200W rated acoustic guitar speakers... then go further... Overdrive the tubes to bloody hell and run a Turbo Rat into a Digitech Hard-Wire Tube Overdrive into a Swollen Pickle into an XXL into an ODB-3 and finish it off with a DS-1... or something.

I don't have enough money to buy all that stuff.
 
Fuzz

BiAmp with a Guitar Full Stack and destroy it.

I think this is probably your best bet, although I gotta admit I'm not familiar with the "genres". In my opinion, at some point, you run out of room to just add more gain and need to look for something else to get heavier or more grind. I think that a stupidly big amp setup is tough to beat. Even without that, too small an amp isn't going to sound right no matter how many pedals you throw in front.

Assuming that cheap means a huge amp isn't going to happen I'd start thinking about ways to mess with the textures of the distortion sound I already kinda liked. I think some messing with an EQ (maybe in parallell chains), or something to add a few wierd or dissonant overtones/harmonics would be my next thought if EQ is too boring.

The way you talk about playing fast, I figure that super high gain fuzz or square wave style pedals aren't necessarily the way to go. Much as there's a place for it and they're fun, if it was me I'd try to stick with something that might be a bit more dynamic. I find that a square wave-y fuzz or a big boost into a dirt box just kinda powers out and work better when you're not playing super fast.

If I wasn't going to biamp I'd be highpassing one channel and blasting a distortion with it. Get the bass out before you get your high gain, aggressive tone. Lots of mids, filter out the harsh treble to keep it from shredding your eardrums. Then with the other channel either keep it clean-ish or get something with beefy lows and low mids (VT bass/blueberry/etc) and subtler distortion.


so my setup might be...
Bass> LS-2.
LS-2a> Rat or rangemaster+distortion or etc
LS-2b> VTbass with lots of lowpass.

LS-2 out>amp.

Or, get a guitarist to fill the gap.
 
I think this is probably your best bet, although I gotta admit I'm not familiar with the "genres". In my opinion, at some point, you run out of room to just add more gain and need to look for something else to get heavier or more grind. I think that a stupidly big amp setup is tough to beat. Even without that, too small an amp isn't going to sound right no matter how many pedals you throw in front.

Assuming that cheap means a huge amp isn't going to happen I'd start thinking about ways to mess with the textures of the distortion sound I already kinda liked. I think some messing with an EQ (maybe in parallell chains), or something to add a few wierd or dissonant overtones/harmonics would be my next thought if EQ is too boring.

The way you talk about playing fast, I figure that super high gain fuzz or square wave style pedals aren't necessarily the way to go. Much as there's a place for it and they're fun, if it was me I'd try to stick with something that might be a bit more dynamic. I find that a square wave-y fuzz or a big boost into a dirt box just kinda powers out and work better when you're not playing super fast.

If I wasn't going to biamp I'd be highpassing one channel and blasting a distortion with it. Get the bass out before you get your high gain, aggressive tone. Lots of mids, filter out the harsh treble to keep it from shredding your eardrums. Then with the other channel either keep it clean-ish or get something with beefy lows and low mids (VT bass/blueberry/etc) and subtler distortion.


so my setup might be...
Bass> LS-2.
LS-2a> Rat or rangemaster+distortion or etc
LS-2b> VTbass with lots of lowpass.

LS-2 out>amp.

Or, get a guitarist to fill the gap.

I have a 250 watt Laney RBH800. It's solid state, so I think it will slay enough for now. I also have an Octave pedal and stuff.
 
well, keeping it on the low budget, I think an LS-2 might be a good start. Used especially.

It's probly not going to do the trick all at once, but I think it'd be a decent start. But... try to use it as more than just a blend. Maybe the sansamp and octave in one loop, and xxl in the other as a start (does the XXL cut lows? because we want it too here). Set the tone controls up as differently as you can to get highs outta one pedal and lows/low mids outta the other. Its not a perfect solution, but its probably close-ish for the price.

Try it out at a store or get the LS-2 as cheap as you can... it might just be too complicated and fidley for the result.

Edit... my idea was that this gets you to a place where you can add to the setup to get closer to the aggressive craziness you're after. Just the LS-2 isn't going to make things heavier, but it'll probly sound better while you work on the cash to get anything else you need for the setup.
 
For a 2-man grindcore group, I agree with the earlier suggestion of bi-amping. For the distortion, I'd suggest either one of the Rats, XXLB or or something of that ilk.

I actually had to wiki powerviolence, that was a new one for me

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I was actually considering that, if I ever got the money, I could augment my current setup with a Bugera or something.

powerviolence? what is that, like dragonball z-rock?

"this amp goes to over 9000!"

You could say that. Althought Dragonball Z rock would actually be classed as Hair Metal
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Note the massive 'do.

A fine example of powerviolence can be found here:


That guy is using a green russian muff and a BC Rich from the 70s with EMGs.