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210 or 112???

#21
There's a lot of guys on Talkbass who are into REALLY BIG amps. In some circumstances you need this but in others no, unless you like to be pasted against the wall by volume.

For a band such as you describe, I tend to use a Roland CB100 cube which is 100W RMS with a single 12 and it barely breaks a sweat. I've done some reasonable size gigs using PA support and the Cube as a monitor. I find using a large amp on a stage where everything else is acoustic tends to make me unpopular. Admittedly, those are jazz gigs where the drummers tend to be tasteful about volume, but I find the amp also keeps up as a rehearsal amp with rock bands.

Your profile says you have a Peavey TKO, which I would expect to be louder than the Cube. Try your TKO, and if it runs out of headroom maybe you need something more.

Edit:

Important trick. Lots of guys put their amp on the floor so the sound shoots out past their knees. Too loud in the room but they struggle to hear it. Get an amp stand that will lift the amp nearer your ear and angled up at you and it makes a big difference.

The other comment is that I use a fairly old school tone which focusses on low mids rather than deep lows. If you want to spit out a lot of 30Hz you may need more headroom therefore more power.
 
#22
I pump 380 watts into a Bergie 112 and it stands up very nicely in just about any situation I have tried. With the pa support these days and monitors on stage, the Bergie112 works for me. I also use a GK 112 Neo that kills pretty much too but not like the Bergie.
 
#24
Hey speaking of the watts thing, what's all this I hear about "headroom" or frying your amp or blowing your speakers?! For a specific example, the Shuttle 6.0 puts out 375W at 8ohms. The B210 (ceramics) is rated 700W in 4 or 8 ohms. From what I have heard, I might:
1) have to use too much power for that cab, thereby causing a distorted signal, and therefore blowing up my speakers.
2) have to push the amp too hard and frying the amp
3) have a cab that can handle anything I throw at it, and as long as I don't turn it up "to 11" everything will be fine.
The correct answer is number three, right?
 
#26
Low_Ryder said:
Hey speaking of the watts thing, what's all this I hear about "headroom" or frying your amp or blowing your speakers?! For a specific example, the Shuttle 6.0 puts out 375W at 8ohms. The B210 (ceramics) is rated 700W in 4 or 8 ohms. From what I have heard, I might:
1) have to use too much power for that cab, thereby causing a distorted signal, and therefore blowing up my speakers.
2) have to push the amp too hard and frying the amp
3) have a cab that can handle anything I throw at it, and as long as I don't turn it up "to 11" everything will be fine.
The correct answer is number three, right?
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The Shuttle 6.0 is a great amp and would pair well with the B210. If you pump a lot of lows and turn it up too much, then you certainly can blow a driver.

Just use your ears and listen for the cab protesting to be sure you don't go too far with it. That's a good method to use with nearly any bass rig.
 
#27
Just to throw it in the mix. Perhaps one of the new "super 12" boxes.
What I want from my gear is to be able to get a good sound with punch at a low volume, and also be able to push the crap out of it when needed. The Baer ML112 cab is just a killer. Its a 12/6 box. Plenty of highs, lows, and volume for a pretty small cab. 38lbs.

The Baer ML112 has more full range volume than any single 12 or just about any 210 box I've used. Also, when you order it, you get a try out period, so if you don't like it, you can return it.
 
#28
B String said:
Just to throw it in the mix. Perhaps one of the new "super 12" boxes.
What I want from my gear is to be able to get a good sound with punch at a low volume, and also be able to push the crap out of it when needed. The Baer ML112 cab is just a killer. Its a 12/6 box. Plenty of highs, lows, and volume for a pretty small cab. 38lbs.

The Baer ML112 has more full range volume than any single 12 or just about any 210 box I've used. Also, when you order it, you get a try out period, so if you don't like it, you can return it.
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As I briefly touched upon in post #18, I think the super-12 class is out of budget for the OP. They are awesome cabs for those that can afford that level of engineering.
 
#31
B String said:
Just to throw it in the mix. Perhaps one of the new "super 12" boxes.
What I want from my gear is to be able to get a good sound with punch at a low volume, and also be able to push the crap out of it when needed. The Baer ML112 cab is just a killer. Its a 12/6 box. Plenty of highs, lows, and volume for a pretty small cab. 38lbs.

The Baer ML112 has more full range volume than any single 12 or just about any 210 box I've used. Also, when you order it, you get a try out period, so if you don't like it, you can return it.
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What do you mean when you say the 112 is a "12/6" box? Thanks
 

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